Fantastic Four/Superman Review!

[00:00:01] Speaker A: I know we're not really talking about SummerSlam here, but it's. It's been a hell of a SummerSlam, that's all. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Did you say SummerSlam? Summer also. You went to SummerSlam, brother. I went on the. I went on the website and I tried to find. I don't think they don't post the whole thing. They had clips. I watched a clip of SummerSlam or something because I saw. What's his name? Jake Paul. He had like two energy drinks and you slammed them together and. And then he, like. Powell drove some. He like jumped on Jelly Roll or something. I don't know. I saw one clip. Yeah. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Jelly Roll got fucking demolished. Although that was the worst. Was he, like, magically started. [00:00:40] Speaker C: I don't understand. I understand. Logan Paul, like, whatever, he's a fun heel. Like, he's a guy. He got into fighting. Whatever. Jelly Roll. What the hell is he doing here? Like, what the fuck is that? Is that for middle America? Like, I don't get it. [00:00:51] Speaker A: It's for the people that like that stuff. Yeah, Middle America would probably be that. I don't know who listens to jelly roll. Drew McIntyre said that. Oh, I respect him more as a musician after that match, but not as a wrestler. I mean, okay, that was such a work. I'll give him credit on that. He got slammed into the table. He looked like he was gonna die. I know. He had to have been faking it and then. But he did some good acting there, I guess. And then when he got back in, he. He did some things. It wasn't amazing, but couldn't we say that Jelly Roll's effort was better than Oldberg's effort? [00:01:35] Speaker B: Goldberg. [00:01:36] Speaker C: So Justin decided that Goldberg's only Pokemon would be Drampa. He'd be the Old man Dragon. Yeah. Yeah. Goldberg honestly should have stayed in bed that day. I don't know what the fuck was. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Going on with that. [00:01:47] Speaker C: Yeah, very sad. So, Chris, you have seen the two movies that I have seen. Superman and Fantastic Four, First Steps. You know, what did we think? [00:02:00] Speaker B: I think I picked a slightly better bench this time. I mean, there is a tennis court nearby, but I think there's much less chance of random people walking by. You know, it was just the one moment last time, but I think. I think it'll be better this. There's just forests here, so it should be fine. [00:02:14] Speaker C: No, forests are great for podcasting. Yeah, I agree. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, at least Superman. [00:02:21] Speaker C: Breath of fresh air, right? After a decade of mediocrity and bad movies, like, you know. Yeah. [00:02:28] Speaker B: So It's. It's funny because I. I went in with, like, you know, it's. What's that meme where it's like, what I expected versus what I got. And I'm like, you know, for. For me, I was like, you know, I love Superman. I was very hyped for that. And then Fantastic Four, I couldn't give a. I think that's the difference is, like, my bar was high for Superman and my bar for Fantastic Four was, like, very low. I didn't even think. I like Fantastic Four. So I ended up. I think at the moment, I liked Fantastic Four more. Actually. I'm, like, kind of stunned right now. I'm like, yeah, no, I. I really liked it. I didn't think I like it at all, but I maybe liked it more than Superman. [00:03:01] Speaker C: That's fair. I think that's very fair. Fantastic Four, it's funny. It's a much more focused and concise movie. So, yeah, like, I'll agree with you. Like, the Fantastic Four is one of those properties where lot of raiders can't help themselves. They have a lot of stuff from the 60s that you should not be touching. No paste pot Pete, no moment. Don't stay away from that. That's. It's all schlock and bad. The good stuff is the stuff that. That has come circa, like, the 80s up till now. You know, I appreciated that Johnny Storm was not a goofball. He was cocksure. He was flirty, but he wasn't embarrassing. Embarrassing. He wasn't like, rapping or, you know, acting like a douchebag celebrity. Yeah, he was like a smart, thoughtful character who, you know, was just younger than the rest of them. And his, His. His rapport with Ben Grimm was very heartwarming and sweet. He wasn't like a bully to him. They seemed like they liked each other. And that meant Ben Grimm got to be. Got to show his sensitivity and sweetness. And that's a wonderful thing. And, you know, which brings me back to Superman. I loved Superman. [00:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I. [00:04:13] Speaker C: Look, I gotta be very clear when it comes to this. This stuff, I've reached a point where I don't worry. I don't, you know, I'm not excited. It's just. It's other people's art I like. After, like the. The fifth movie in the Snyderverse, I was like, all right, I think we're done. Like, I can't keep doing this to myself. And the Marvel shit, you know, drove itself into the ground with garbage like the Marvels and Moon Knight TV show and she Hulk. And at a certain point, it's like, why am I going to see these things? You know? So, you know, I mean, like, as we discussed with Matt a few weeks back, you know, Thunderbolts was really good. It was a step in the right direction. But Fantastic Four felt like it was from that first run of Marvel movies where they're all really good, really thoughtful. They're taking the things that work about the comic book and blowing them up. [00:05:03] Speaker B: And, dude, that's like. Like they did that tease in Thunderbolts, whether you see the. Whatever. The ship with the four. And I was rolling when I was like, oh, here we go. Like, you know, come on, don't ruin it. [00:05:11] Speaker C: You know, we should be a little focused. So, like, with Superman, obviously, I like James Gunn. I've watched his movies for a long time. Super slither. All his. His Troma Schlock. I love that stuff. And of course, he made Guardians of the Galaxy. Right. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Which. [00:05:29] Speaker C: And the Suicide Squad, both great. I mean, obviously there are three. Four if you count the holiday special Guardians movies. [00:05:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker C: But the Suicide Squad is a similar kind of thing where he takes a bunch of characters that you don't care about and he makes them into. He dealt with their humanity and wraps a really engaging plot around them. And by the end of it, they're your favorite characters. You know, he's a very effective writer and director. [00:05:55] Speaker B: And. [00:05:55] Speaker C: And with Superman, when I saw he was, you know, including Guy Gardner and Hawk girl and Metamorph, Mr. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Terrific, everyone's favorite character. [00:06:06] Speaker C: Yeah, he made Mr. Terrific cool. Like, you know, he did. [00:06:09] Speaker B: But I'm. I'm just waiting for, like, there's going to be those, like, 10 people that come out of the world, work, like with Moon Knight, were like, oh, I've always been a big Mr. Terrific fan. I'm like, no, you have. Like, who, Who. Who's been. No, no, you haven't. Like, these people come out of nowhere. Like, they. They tried with the arrow show. Mr. Trimick was actually a main character on there. And I'm like, it's. It's funny because it's like night and day. Like. Yeah, no, it's. It's like you gotta look up clips of him because it's like, you know, what could go wrong if you take two steps off the beaten path? You know what I mean? It's like. Like, it's. It's kind of similar what they did in this. The one show. They just didn't have the budget or the. The right actor or. Or anything really. But you Know. Yeah, but I thought I hated Mr. Terrific until I saw this movie. I'm like, oh, he's. He can be cool. Okay? [00:06:52] Speaker C: Like, he's one of those characters that, like, Geoff Johns or Grant Morrison, like, puts in their crossover books. You know, it's like, oh, look, it's Mr. Terrific. Green Arrow. They're here, too. [00:07:01] Speaker B: You know, it's like, oh, they're doing something. [00:07:05] Speaker C: And Firestone, Firestorm. He's here. He showed up, too. Give me a book, brother. You know? [00:07:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:13] Speaker C: So, yeah, it was nice to see him actually being cool. Metamorpho is another weird one. It's got now, for my money. I. I loved all the stuff with David, Corn Sweat and Rachel Brosnahan, who I love very much. She's from Marvelous. Mrs. Maisel. I'll probably have some B roll of her playing while we're talking. But, like, she's great. She's fantastic, and I love that, like, her being a journalist matters. I liked her better than Margot Kidder, which is. I mean, look, I mean, maybe she's not the best ever, but I liked her as Lois Lane. That sequence where he's freaking out because he went and defended Gaza and nobody appreciates him, and she's like, you know, I think it's funny that you always interview yourself. He's like, fine, interview me. And she starts criticizing him, and he's like, people are going to die. [00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:01] Speaker C: And she's like, okay, Sake. Like, that whole sequence is brilliant. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:15] Speaker C: People crying about, like, the Snyderverse and how it was so heady or whatever. Like, it didn't. It didn't. It didn't approach any relevant themes about anything ever. You know, like, this movie dove headfirst into what Superman is about and what it means to be a hero. You know what I mean? And how those two concepts dovetail, you know? I don't know. Chris, did you. Did you like her? [00:09:36] Speaker B: I liked her. I. I liked her chemistry with David, however. Say his name. Corn Sweat or whatever. Like, Corn Sweat. Yeah, I. Again, I. My. My issues were. And again, I'm gonna watch it again soon. Like, I do think there was, like, you know, again, everything I talk about, I'm like, yeah, I. I liked, you know, blank. I just wish there was a little more of blank or, like, you know, I liked the scenes with him and Lois. It's just there's so many characters in this movie. There's so much going on. Like, again, like, you know, what was there. I like the scenes with the parents. I wanted a little more of that. I liked the scenes with. With his girlfriend, Lois Lane. I wanted a little more of that. I like the scenes with the Daily Planet. I wanted a little more of that. You know, Like, I didn't. I could have done with less of the justice gang or, like, you are. [00:10:21] Speaker C: So good at finding things to complain about. It's not even funny. Like, you are, like, the grand champion of complaining. [00:10:27] Speaker B: I. I like the movie. I'm just like, again, I was just like. I wanted to really love it. I. I don't yet. Maybe I'll get to that point where I'm just like, yeah. I mean, again, like, I. Those are our leads, Lois and Clark. And, like, I love their chemistry. I love their scenes together. But they only had a couple because. Because of the events of the movie. They're, you know, separated for a good amount of it. And I'm like, you know, I. I wanted. I don't know, I wanted them to solve the problem together. I mean, not instead of in separate camps or whatever. I don't know. It was like, again, like, that interview scene. You talk like that. That's. That was great. I want. I just wanted more little interactions like that. And we start the story in, you know, whatever you want to say. Like, in media res or whatever. They. They. I like how they play it off. At first, they play it off at the Planet, like they don't know each other or whatever, you know, or that she doesn't know his identity. She's like, oh, it's kind of convenient that you always happen to be there or whatever when, you know. And she's, like, giving him crap for it. But then, you know, he comes to her apartment and. And they reveal that. No, they. They've been dating because he's been Superman for, like, three years at this point. Again, it's just. And I. It's a similar, like, little, you know, little nitpick I have, like, with both, actually with Fantastic Four and this and where it's like. Yeah. I mean, we kind of start at a certain point and I get it. Like, the mindset is like, well, we've seen so many versions of these characters. Like, we don't need to see Blank. We don't need to see Krypton blow up again. We don't need to see this and that. Yeah. I mean, but it would be nice. Like, again, I like these versions of, let's say, Lois and Clark. I would have liked to see them meet or start dating or he reveals who he is to her. Like, we. We flash. We fast forwarded through all of that. And I had a similar reaction to Fantastic Four. I'm like, it would have been nice to see, you know, the beginnings of this. [00:12:08] Speaker C: No, you know, I, I really don't even know what to say to you. So. Okay, like, again, like, I, Maybe it's because I read comic books. I, I get it. I know what's going. I know what's happening. It's not different enough for me to care. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:22] Speaker C: Like, it's just not. [00:12:25] Speaker B: I wasn't confused. I was just kind of like, oh. Like, I, I wish I'd gotten to see this moment with this actor or whatever. You know, like, you know, like, like. [00:12:32] Speaker C: Your imagination doesn't, your imagination doesn't fill in the blanks. Like, you have to see the, the rocket ship lands, happened. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Like, I don't know, it would have been, you know, it would have been nice to see, like, like how he revealed who he was to her. [00:12:44] Speaker A: All right, can I interject here? I think a lot of movies leave us to fill in the blanks. Like, a hell of a lot of movies. [00:12:52] Speaker C: And it's called storytelling. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it is storytelling. But, yeah, if you. I'm just laughing because if you try to extend a movie beyond the time that it should be, then it becomes far long, and then you get something like the Hobbit, Part three. [00:13:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. Like, it's not David Copperfield where you start with the character being born. Like, come on, what are you talking about? Like, when you saw Spider Man Homecoming, were you like, I would have liked to have seen him get bitten by the spider. Just saying. [00:13:24] Speaker B: I did have that reaction to Spider Man. [00:13:26] Speaker A: I bet you did. [00:13:27] Speaker B: I was kind of like, you were. [00:13:28] Speaker C: The only person in the world. [00:13:30] Speaker B: Yeah, we flash forwarded to. He's already this and that. I'm like, well, okay. It would have been nice to see his motivations and all that. [00:13:37] Speaker C: Like, you already know it. It's Spider Man. It's Spider Man. [00:13:41] Speaker B: I don't know this one's motivation. I don't know that it's the same character. No. [00:13:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Anyway. [00:13:47] Speaker B: All right. [00:13:49] Speaker C: Yeah, whatever. That was a up. But that doesn't, that doesn't detract from the point that, like, you get it by and large. Oh, my God, Chris. All right, whatever. So how'd you feel about Ultraman slash Bizarro? [00:14:04] Speaker B: It was fine. I mean, again, I, I, I get it. Like, I get what they were doing. Like, at first, I was. When it was, whatever, the Hammer of Boravia or whatever. And, like, because the first scene is, you see Superman all up and I was kind of like, in my mind, I was like, all right, well, there's a very short list of people that could hurt Superman that badly. And I was kind of like, I better be. I better be like, you know, what's the word? Like, like, satisfied with who. Who did. You know what I mean? Like, if, like, Toy man beat him up, I'd be like, all right. It's like, but. And then again, at first I was like, hammer braid, like. But you. It's revealed who that is, and I'm like, okay. You know? Yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, fine. Yeah. That person could them up, and then even. What's her name, the engineer. They do a good job of explaining, like, how she's able to hurt him and do damage. [00:14:53] Speaker C: Well, like, from where I'm sitting, like, part of the appeal of, you know, my favorite favorite character, of course, is Thor. I love Superman, but I enjoy Thor because part of Thor's appeal is that he fights characters that are gods or monsters that are. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:06] Speaker C: And Thor is tremendously powerful. He's equivalent to Superman. And, like, down, he's bleeding, he loses Mjolnir, and he has to keep going. Like, you know, his armor is shredded, and he finds that will to keep going. And that's part of the appeal of Thor. And, like, you know, I love Superman very much. Most of his characters don't play. His strength doesn't. Doesn't help him. You know what I mean? Like, you mentioned Toy Man. Toy Man's not a favorite of mine, but Toy Man, Bizarro Mixy Pit, like, they're all characters that. That come after him in different ways, where he has to think creatively. Right. So if he's going to fight a character who's physically intimidating, he should be able to get hurt. I don't understand this. This obsession with, like, making him so powerful that he can't be hurt. You know, like in the Justice League cartoon, gets, like, electrocuted and thrown around. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah, no, like, the. The twins, they, like, messed him up with, like, a tornado one time. He was like. They were like. And I'm like, really? Like, what? Like the Wonder Twins. All right. [00:16:05] Speaker C: You know, if the wind tunnel is powerful enough, like, this movie didn't around either. Like, he's getting pulled into a black hole, and he's able to use his super breath to push himself back. [00:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:14] Speaker C: Greg, did you actually raise your hand? [00:16:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:16] Speaker A: I got something. [00:16:18] Speaker B: He's got something. [00:16:20] Speaker A: Actually relating it to wrestling. It's like the best analogy I can think of here about Superman. Not Getting hurt, that's like showing Gunther can't get hurt or something like that, you know, and they. Yeah, or John Cena, one of those people. But they actually do show on the regular. Less with Gunther that they do get hurt. But yeah, I. That. That was my draw away from. And yeah, I'm a Superman noob, but haven't watched the movie. Haven't watched Superman in ages. But that was. That's why I like him less than other superheroes because he's got, like, no weaknesses, obviously, other than the kryptonite, and they don't show him get hurt often enough. [00:17:08] Speaker C: I think his biggest weakness is that he cares about other people deeply. [00:17:14] Speaker A: That's true too, actually. That's a really good point. [00:17:18] Speaker C: This movie plays with it. Like there's a wonderful sequence where a monster is attacking the city and all the superheroes are so excited to kill the monster, they're like attacking his eye and stuff. And Superman's like, guys, slow down. We have to save everyone, including the monster. He even saves a squirrel at one point from getting squirrel. [00:17:34] Speaker B: It's. It's. [00:17:35] Speaker C: It's delightful. Yeah. [00:17:37] Speaker B: A good movie can. Like I said before, I. I don't in general, like the Fantastic Four. This movie kind of. You know, a good movie can kind of change your mind sometimes. And I. I feel like Superman might do that for people. [00:17:49] Speaker C: So, Chris, how did you feel about good old Crypto, the baddest dog in space? [00:17:53] Speaker B: The star of the. Okay, this is. If we were going to change the title, it should have at least been like Superman and Crypto or something because he was the. The co. Star. Or rather he was kind of the star of the show. I thought, like, he. I was worried he'd just be like a. Like a one joke or like. Well, I mean, again, it's James Gun. It's not like he made Rocket Raccoon a joke. Like, Rocket was a main character in those movies and I think it was a similar treatment of, like. Yeah, no, he's. He's his partner. Like, like, he. He does a lot in this movie, actually. He kind of saves the day at the end. [00:18:20] Speaker C: He does. [00:18:21] Speaker B: And he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:18:23] Speaker C: And Superman beats Luther's evil plan because he has a bad dog that likes to chase drones. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I love, I love it. No, I love all the Crypto stuff. I'm an animal lover, so, like, for. For me it's. You know, and they did a really good job of like. Like he felt like a real dog, if you know what I mean. We're like, even in the opening scene where Superman whistles for him, like, in your mind, you're like, okay, so he's gonna grab his cape and fly out. But no, no, like, he doesn't understand. Master is hurt at first. He, like, jumps on him, and you hear. Because he doesn't know his own strength. So you almost hear him, like, almost breaking his boat. He's, like, jumping. He's like, oh, crypto. Stop. [00:18:55] Speaker C: He's a super dog, too. Yeah. [00:18:57] Speaker B: I mean, like, I had a dog. It was the same thing. I mean, he was a small guy, but he'd, like, run into me and started, like, biting my hand. And he didn't realize, like, oh, no, that hurts. Stop. What are you. He's just playing, but he doesn't realize, like, you know, he's just, like, kind of hurting me. [00:19:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Crypto is delightful. I agree. [00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker C: For me, like, the. The parts of the movie that I love the most were when Superman was Superman. Like, there's the part where Lois is, like, talking about whatever, like, how she's punk rock, and she's like, you just care about people too much, Clark. And he goes, maybe that's the real punk rock, you know? And she. There's like, a beat. She just doesn't know what to say to that. And I was like, yeah, Superman, you know, reminded me of something Justin would say. Just. Just the most sweetest, innocent thing imaginable. And then, like, that part where he's like, you know, he's putting on his boots, and she's like, aren't you gonna go help the superheroes fight that thing outside? She's. He's like, nah, they got it. He's like, there's a dog outside. There's a dog out there. And he. He's not. He's not my dog. He's not even a good dog. But he's lonely, and he's probably scared. And she's like, you have a dog. He's like, it's not my dog. But, like, that whole thing was so beautiful. And, like, personally, like, I could have did without the parallel universe thing where Lex Luthor was imprisoning people. But the execution was what was good, and he wanted it to be. He wanted the tone to have that cartoonish comic book, colorful quality to it. [00:20:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:22] Speaker C: So I don't begrudge the movie that. I didn't like the visual of the Anti Matter river or whatever. Like, that was stupid to me. But again, I'm not gonna begrudge the movie. It's its indulgences. When it's doing such a good job in every other quadrant, you know. [00:20:37] Speaker B: So. [00:20:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was. Was the perfect movie for the moment, right down to its. Its social commentary, which was done pretty tastefully, I think, you know? You know, it wasn't like Zack Snyder's version where they. They go to the Middle east and all Superman's friends die. They all get. Jimmy also gets shot in the head and Superman shows up and just kills all the terrorists immediately. Like, literally murders them. And. Yeah. And then. And then we cut to them in the apartment and it's all grayscale and everyone's sad. Ran. Hates himself, you know? Yeah. [00:21:14] Speaker B: It's a different take. That's what some people like. They say it's an Elseworld. Just think of it like an Elseworld story and it works. [00:21:22] Speaker C: What? The. What? The Snyderverse. [00:21:25] Speaker B: The. The Snyder apologists. You know, just think of it like an Elseworld story and it all works. That was the thing. [00:21:33] Speaker C: That was it. [00:21:36] Speaker B: Single. Funny. [00:21:38] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:21:39] Speaker B: At the end of. At the end of something, just think. [00:21:42] Speaker C: Of it as something contrary to what you like, and then you'll enjoy it. [00:21:45] Speaker B: At the end of Justice League, they. He teased injustice. And that is an Elseworld story. Like, so. No, that's what he was always supposedly building towards or whatever. [00:21:55] Speaker C: Yeah, because that's what I want. I want. That's not what I want. Oh, why not? You don't like a depressing, bad story where Superman kills everyone? [00:22:06] Speaker B: Batman's like, one day I'm gonna fucking kill you, Joker. I was like, whoa, whoa, what's going on? [00:22:11] Speaker C: Such a bad. I hate it. I hate injustice so much. Yeah. So, Greg, Injustice is a story where the Joker tricks Superman into killing Lois Lane so that Superman decides to go crazy and become a dictator and murder everyone. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Who wrote this? Where did it come from? [00:22:26] Speaker C: Very smart people wrote it. It came from a fighting video game. [00:22:30] Speaker B: Yes. [00:22:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Made by the Mortal Kombat people. So all. [00:22:33] Speaker B: All good stories come from fighting video games, as we know. [00:22:38] Speaker C: Comic. Maybe when you're. You're adapting Superman for the big screen, don't adapt the Elseworld story where everyone acts contrary to their personalities. [00:22:45] Speaker B: To say one thing. Because I. I watched. They also did the. The animated movie for injustice. And, like, it's awful. [00:22:50] Speaker C: It's terrible. [00:22:51] Speaker B: Me? No, no, no. Because, I mean, I already didn't want. I didn't already don't like it. Like, I already don't want evil Superman. But like the. It's like the first scene. Or like maybe the second scene for Whatever reason, like, we have to get rid of Flash, even though he is a thing in the comics. But, like, they were like, we have to, like, write him out of the story. So there's a stupid trap where he gets, like, trapped in a room with, like, a bomb or something. He's like, oh, no, I'm. I'm screwed. I can't get it. I'm like, he can vibrate through wall, and he, like, dies in the first scene. I'm like, all right, so I already hate this. Like, you already pissed me off. That. Thank you. I didn't need that. Thank you. Like, why? [00:23:18] Speaker C: I already. I already don't like those animated movies because they have bad animation and bad voice acting and bad writing and every. They're just bad. Like, they're just the worst. [00:23:29] Speaker B: But, like, this was really bad. Like, I watched it with a friend, and she pointed out because, like, Batman, the way he's. Greg. Greg, he. He has, like, kissy lips. The way they draw back. I'm not kidding. In that movie. He has, like. He's always talking like, dish. [00:23:41] Speaker A: Oh, gosh. [00:23:43] Speaker C: Yeah. They even changed the ending. And it's. It's still bad. It's just a bad thing. I don't understand why they push it. So. It's because the video game sold a bunch of copies, but, you know, anyway. Yeah. So Superman. Great film. I give this movie five bags of popcorn and a bag of chips. You know, Chris, better or worse than Christopher Reeves, man. [00:24:03] Speaker B: Better than injustice. Oh, Christopher Reeve, Superman. I mean, what are we talking? I love one and two. If we're counting three and four, then that's a very different story. Well, they kind of. They kind of adapted things from everything because, like, whatchamacallit. Like. Like, the chick who's, like, pretending to be an idiot but turns out to be smart. Like, that's actually from Superman 3, I think. And then you could say Ms. Tessmacher, Eve test marker. And then Nuclear man was kind of sort of a parallel to Ultraman or Hammer of Bravia or whatever the. You know, I don't know. It's funny. Like, I had the react. I get it. Like, I. Maybe I don't mind it now. At the time, I was kind of like. Well, and I think I feel like you had a similar reaction with, like. Because you're just tired of, like, clones and stuff in media or. Like, I had that, like, when he takes the mask off and David Corn Sweat with, like, long hair, you know. [00:24:58] Speaker C: Like, I think they're doing Supergirl next, which might be cool. Veronica Mars with superpowers, I guess, you know, but Might be really good. I think it will be. I'm looking forward to it. I think the next movie is, what, Clayface or something? I don't know. I don't follow that. [00:25:13] Speaker B: Yeah, they're doing. I think both are next year. The Supergirl and the Clayface movie with that. I don't know. That'll be interesting. [00:25:20] Speaker C: Mike Flanagan's writing it. I like Mike Flanagan a lot. [00:25:22] Speaker B: We're covering him on. [00:25:24] Speaker C: Covering. On Covering him on the other show, so that should be cool, you know. [00:25:30] Speaker B: And I get. So that was, like, one little mini twist with, like. So crypto in this version is Supergirl's dog, right? Because she, like, comes in at the end and is like, oh, thanks for watching my dog. And she takes crypto, but I'm like, all right. Where's her cat? God damn. Where's. Where's Streaky? What the. It's. [00:25:50] Speaker C: Listen, you can only get away with. Only get away with so much, you know? Go watch the super dog Cartoon Man. [00:25:57] Speaker B: I will. The D.C. league of Super Pets. He was Superman's dog in that movie. [00:26:07] Speaker C: Shut up. [00:26:07] Speaker B: Anyway, that movie's better. [00:26:10] Speaker C: He was a baby when he left Krypton. He wouldn't have remembered Krypto. Make any sense? Listen, it's fine. [00:26:17] Speaker B: Listen, it's fine. Listen, is he gonna be a main character in Supergirl? I'll accept it if that's the case. [00:26:25] Speaker C: Probably. I mean, anything's possible with Trump in the White House, so. [00:26:31] Speaker B: So, yeah, can we talk spoilers or. [00:26:34] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. Whatever. It doesn't matter. [00:26:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So here, like, this really bothered me at least. Like, again, like, I. I'm sure if I think about Fantastic Four some more, I, I. At the moment, I. Again, I'm kind of favoring that. I. I can't think of anything to point to. Like, I didn't, like, blank. Like, I can't really think of that right now. [00:26:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:55] Speaker B: What's up? [00:26:56] Speaker C: Fantastic Four is excellent. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I literally can't. I can't think of anything. Again, with Superman. Again, it was one of those things for me where it was like, again, I like the stuff with him and Mon Pa Kent. I just wish there was more. I like the stuff with him and his Kryptonian parents. I just wish there was more. The. The big thing, it was, like, a crux of the movie I didn't really care for. I think a lot of people were kind of like, okay, this is a choice. Where the whole thing was the message, right? Where, like, he Grew up with, like, the one half. The other half was corrupted, and they do the thing. And, like, Lex has whatever. The engineer, she hacks it. She's like, I've discovered the full translation. Or. And, like, I. As soon as that happened, I knew, like, okay, this is like a scheme. Or, like, this is like a. You know, this. This can't be real. Because, like, they have the whole. I mean, I guess it was right, because they never contradicted it by the end of the film. But, like, yeah, no, like, again, they had multiple. They went out of their way. In fact, there were multiple chances where, like, because someone asked Lex, like, that was brilliant. Lex, like, you know, changing the message like that. He's like, no, no, I. I didn't do that. That just worked in my. I. I had no idea that it would say that. Like, that worked in my favor. And. And even the Engineer, when she's, like, hacking and she's like, oh, no. Like, you know, like, this can't be tampered with. Like, I couldn't have tampered with it if I wanted to. And Mr. Terrific, he even says something. He's like, yeah, no, no, this is like, because everyone is questioning it. And, like, he asked Mr. Terrific or Lois asked Mr. Lois asks Mr. Terrific because he's a tech guy, and he's like, no, no. Like, if the top expert said it's real, and they did, then. Then it's real. And I just kept waiting for that, you know, reveal. We're like, no, it's not. It's not real. Like, come on, like, what, Jor, Ellen, Laura were evil? Or, like. Like this? [00:28:31] Speaker C: So. So Superman is a good person. We need him to be a good person. Do we need Pa and Ma. El to be good, good people? [00:28:39] Speaker B: I mean, they're. They're sounding more like General Zod. Like. Like, when he shows up, maybe he was friends with them. I don't. I don't know. Like, they're sounding like whatever you call the. The. The characters from Invincible, like, his parents from that series. [00:28:55] Speaker C: Is that really a deal breaker, though? [00:28:56] Speaker B: I mean, kind of. Like, again, I feel like you're gonna. I. I mean, it's just so, like, you know, like, I don't know. [00:29:06] Speaker C: They've done that stuff in the comics before, you know, so there's a. There is a difference, too. There is a difference because, like, General Zod wants to conquer the planet and turn it into New Krypton, whereas Pa. Oh, my God. Why am I doing that? I'm. I'm. I'm doing Mike and J. Jor El and I don't know, his mom, Superman, supermom. They, they, they sent him there to rule as like a benevolent dictator. Both bad things, I would argue, you. [00:29:31] Speaker B: Know, and they, again, if this wasn't tampered with, they, they wanted him to create a harem of women. [00:29:36] Speaker C: I just think that you're overthinking it because like, at the end of the day, the movie is really just about the fact that Superman is a good person in spite of all these things. And the corn fed wisdom of his good sweet Kansas, salt of the earth parents is what he grew up with. And that's what really matters. You know, like, that's, that's. I don't, I don't care about the, the details of, you know, like whatever was done and the, the 70s movie or the, the John Byrne comic books. I, I just don't care. It's not important to me. It's a movie. These will always be exponents to the comic books. They will never be that important to me ever. At any point. You know, like when Thor, Love and Thunder came out, I wasn't devastated. I was like, man, they really fucked this. You know, it happens sometimes. You get, sometimes there are elements of something that you don't appreciate. From where I'm sitting, I love Superman, the character. I'm not that I don't care that much about his father. Like, I don't care that much about that. It's been reinterpreted a lot. Like the way Alan Moore wrote Jor El in For the man who Has Everything that was radically different from the stuff you're talking about. Like the wise, all knowing, you know, self sacrificing scientist we get in the cartoon, in the cartoon show, the 90s cartoon. I agree. I, I want that as well. But like, from where I'm sitting in the movie, it was a really neat little thing for Lex Luthor to exploit. And like, the point was Superman didn't then do what his dad, his space dad told him to do. He instead switched to listening to the stuff his father told him. His actual. [00:31:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I get. For me, for me, the ending was bittersweet where like, they had like the, you know, the sweet moment where like, because he used to always say, like, oh, I'm gonna relax. I'm gonna listen to a message from my parents. And then at the end of the movie, I'm gonna listen to a message from my parents and it's, it's Mon Pa talking to him now. I'm like, all Right. Like I, I get it. But at the same, it was kind of like, fuck you, Jorah. Fuck you. Kryptonian heritage. [00:31:32] Speaker C: It is both. I mean, he lives in the Fortress of Solitude. He is the last crypto. And what that legacy means is going to live on through him, not what his. You know, and I wouldn't even argue they were evil. It's just their politics were different. It's not like General Zot. Like, if they came down, they wouldn't start laser eyeing everything the way Laser General Zod probably would, you know? [00:31:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:31:55] Speaker C: This opinion versus one, I can appreciate and acknowledge it as a different feeling towards what was shown, you know, and people are people, you know. Look, I don't really care about the average person, you know, what they think, but that is a feeling that some people probably have towards this movie. You know, I think the discourse is more fixated on what Superman means. I always go back to this Grant Morrisonite line where he talks about how like Superman is us at our best. He's fast, he's strong, he's wise, he's kind, he doesn't exist. But you know, the atom bomb was just an idea once, once upon a time, you know, who's to say we can't be Superman? Who's to say we can't do something like that in our own way, right? And like, yeah, like considering how bad that. I mean, the past few years have been a disaster. Like, oh my God, I don't know if you, like, I don't know if you're like me, but I can't even go on Reddit anymore. I'm so tired of the news. [00:32:52] Speaker B: And. [00:32:52] Speaker C: Watching this, this wonderful movie. That's earnest. It's not ironic, it's not nasty, it's. It's not deconstructive. Yeah, it's got that element of, of a Jor El, like sending Superman, you know, it's his last ditch attempt to save any part of Krypton. [00:33:07] Speaker B: Continue the Kryptonian. I get it. Like, part of that would be like, find a woman, continue the, the line. And I mean, he does that regardless with Lois anyway. But like, I don't know, it's it's just the way that it was, you know, there's two ways to say something. Is all I'm saying is anyway. [00:33:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, whatever. They got Superman, right? That's all I care about. [00:33:27] Speaker B: No, they did. They did. [00:33:29] Speaker C: Yeah. So Fantastic Four. I mean, Galactus was pretty cool, right? [00:33:34] Speaker B: Yeah. He wasn't a storm cloud this time. That was, I mean, to Be fair. That's. That's really hard to get. Right? Like, I could understand them kind of. Well, then. Then you shouldn't do the Fantastic Four Galactus movie if you're afraid to do Galactus. But anyway. Yeah, but no, I mean, I get being kind of, like, afraid to, like, okay, how do we make this. Not goofy. Like, how do we make this work? No, it. Yeah, it was very well done. I swear that, like, the. The one sequence, I. I mean, maybe you could say whatever, homage or whatever, but I swear it was, like, frame for frame, almost the same thing. Where, like, in. In the. In the, like, Jessica Alba movie, when the surfer first appears, isn't there, like, the exact same chase where, like, Johnny, like, goes. Like. He, like, does his thing, he does his message, and the giant's like, you're not going anywhere. And he, like, flies after him, grabs his board, and they're like. They're in space. He, like, gets thrown into space. I swear to God, the same thing happens in both. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing. I'm just saying, like, it was like, this moment of, like, whatever, parallelism or. [00:34:33] Speaker C: I just think it's the. It's the same characters doing the same things and it's. It's like how when I was watching the Terminator anime, I'm like, God, I saw this already, you know, like, yeah, yeah, you're gonna. You're gonna get that kind of synchronicity sometimes, you know? But that's why, like, you know, I appreciated the way they approached a lot of the characters. Like, the whole thing with. By making I'm the Silver Surfer female, you open the door. Because Johnny Storm is not gay. Right. Like, I'm bisexual. I think everyone's a little bisexual, but I don't need Johnny Storm to be bisexual. Right. [00:35:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:04] Speaker C: Simple. Keep it simple. So they're like, okay, we want someone to have an emotional connection with the. With the Silver Surfer because that is Galactus's weak point. So they. They're like, well, Shala Bal was Silver Surfer at one point. Let's do that. It'll. It'll differentiate our movie. And also, Johnny Storm can look at her and be like, whoa, nice lady. [00:35:22] Speaker B: You know, the sexy space alien lady. Yeah. Like. [00:35:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:25] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know anything about those comics. Like, that's why I didn't know. Are there other surfers? [00:35:30] Speaker C: Galactus has lots of heralds, like. [00:35:33] Speaker B: Right. [00:35:34] Speaker C: Nor Rad is the classic one. I mean, that's. I mean, you know, but there's, like, Terax. He's like a big guy with an axe. There's Fire Lord. There's Victorious. There's all these fucking stupid ones. And at one point, it was shallow. Bal. I have not read that particular comic book. I didn't realize we ever went to Zenn la. But in a comic book as old, in a comic book universe as old as Marvel, everyone will visit everyone's planet, and everyone will date everyone, and everyone will wear everyone's pajamas eventually. So, you know, I'm just saying. [00:36:05] Speaker B: Will become Venom. It will happen. [00:36:07] Speaker C: It is happening right now. [00:36:09] Speaker B: It is happening now. Maybe. I don't know anymore. [00:36:12] Speaker C: Actually, a pretty good book. I've been reading it. I've been reading it. It's a pretty good book. I mean, like, Eddie Brock is running around as Carnage right now because, like, it's a whole thing. It's such a mess. [00:36:22] Speaker B: I've just seen there's some guy named Paul. There's all these memes with Paul. I'm like, I don't know anymore. Okay. He's a thing. I guess. Yeah. [00:36:29] Speaker C: I'm just not going to read that Spider man book. But she's living with Paul, and Eddie, Brock's little son is living with them. And because he's living with them. Well, Venom was living with. With Dylan. Brock also. And Eddie doesn't want Dylan to be Venom because he doesn't want him to be like him. So Venom bonds with Mary Jane to protect Dylan. That's the story. You know, it's decent. It's actually pretty good. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Don't say the new Day. It brings back awful memories of the WWE people. [00:37:02] Speaker C: They're still around. They were. [00:37:03] Speaker A: I know. I hate them. [00:37:04] Speaker C: I was just watching Silver Slam, and they were eating pizza to chauffeur Papa John's. And it's like the new day. You don't want them eating your pizza, you know? [00:37:14] Speaker A: Yeah, fuck the new day. Like, they're. They're still in mourning from losing their title. Wasn't that, like, almost a month ago or something? It's like, get over it. [00:37:23] Speaker C: They suck. [00:37:24] Speaker A: They do. [00:37:26] Speaker C: They suck. So, Chris, how did you feel about the Mole man being a character? [00:37:32] Speaker B: So I. I'm the minority probably, but, like, they had that montage where they were doing their thing, right? They fought the Mole Man. They fought. What's it called? Monstro or something. Who's the guy? I've never heard of the other guy. He was like, whatever, Monkey dwarf or. He had, like, the red monkeys or something. There was like, the guy who had, like, the monkeys. And I'M like, no, but I mean, I want more of that man again. That's how I feel about every. Every. That's not just this movie. Every Fantastic Four movie, they always seem like, kind of caught up in something where I'm like, you know, especially like, what was it, the. The Miles Teller one. They really weren't even superheroes. Like, most of it was just them on the run or like. Or whatever, fighting the government or whatever the. That movie was. But, like, it's. It's like I just want to see them do their. A lot of the time they're not doing their thing. And like, I mean, in this movie, they fought Galactus, obviously, but, like, yeah, I wanted more of them doing their thing. Like, we got that montage. I want to see them fight them. I agree. [00:38:19] Speaker C: I agree. That's. That's what happens with the. The first Thor movie. I was like, oh, we're fighting Loki. And it's the. It's the. It's the. It's the Destroyer. Why don't we do, like, a fun story with, like, Beta Ray Bill and the Executioner and it's because I'm a giant nerd and I have things I want to see. But, like, when you get a movie, you want to go for the big story because you might not get another movie. You know, that's so with. With the Fantastic Four, they always go straight for Dr. Doom and Galactus. And with Spider man, they didn't go for Doctor. [00:38:48] Speaker B: Well, that. That's my one little. I would, I would have. I guess what. I guess what they're doing, right? Because so this movie, the threat was Galactus that they, you know, were against, and then the thing that they are going to cross over with, like the big Avengers thingy, because there's. Dr. Doom's going to be, I guess, the villain of that. I. I would. I mean, don't. Don't get me wrong. Doom is a big threat, but I feel like that's how I always feel like, especially the other Fantastic Four movie as well. It's like, if. If anything, right, if anything is an Avengers level threat, like, why don't the Avengers fight Galactic? Like that should be. That should be the Avengers. You know what I'm trying to say? Or like, is that. Is that a Fantastic Four threat? Like that should. That should be the. The world needs to team up, like. [00:39:28] Speaker C: You would think, right? But like, when Thor's fighting Surtur, he doesn't call in Captain America. What the hell is Captain America gonna do to Surtur? You know, the giant Fire ignites planets with his flaming sword. That's a job for Thor. Where's Dr. Doom? He's a super villain that they all share. It's a weird. I know what you're saying. I agree. [00:39:48] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Where it's like, because. [00:39:53] Speaker C: Problem with the shared universe. Like, I feel the way about the X Men. Like, they have Sentinels hunting people, hunting innocent children down and killing them. And Iron man isn't like that. [00:40:09] Speaker B: That's fine. That's totally fine. Like, you want to hunt down. [00:40:15] Speaker C: The Earth that. They're like, oh, we better get involved. [00:40:18] Speaker B: Yeah. No, the mutants are there. That's why I'm like, well, why wouldn't the Sentinels go after, like, Thing or she Hulk or so? Like, they're mutants, too? Or they look like mutants. Like, you know, again, that's like a pocket thing to me where I'm like, the mutants are over there. They have their own. And then there's the Non. [00:40:30] Speaker C: It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter until it does. Doesn't matter until it does. [00:40:33] Speaker B: Until it does. Yeah, no, again, like, no, it was cool. I love. I love the family draw again. It's just. We're fast forwarding to now. Not only are sue and Reed married already, they're having their baby. They're having Franklin Richards already. Like, that's where we are in the story. I'm like, oh, okay. You know, like, the team's already a thing. They already have their powers. So. [00:40:55] Speaker C: Chris, let me. Chris, when you buy. Like, when you. When you take home, like, a new pet, are you, like, you hatch from an egg or were you born from a mother? [00:41:06] Speaker B: You know, I. I need. I need these. Yeah. I don't know. It's. It's. No, I mean, it's. It's kind of like. Like, when. Like, think of this as like, a. A trilogy or whatever. But you wouldn't. You wouldn't start at a certain way. Like, you would build up to it. You know what I mean? Like, you would. You would build up to Galactus. You wouldn't just be like, all right, first movie, Galactus. Like, oh, okay. I mean, I don't know. Again, these are minor. Like, I. I just feel like these are event. They were. They were very big events. I just feel like we really needed to kind of build up to them a little bit more. That's all. [00:41:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know, man. I. You know, I think it's a similar thing where we know who the Fantastic Four is, and I think they did a pretty good job of establishing who they are, what they are, and why Galactus is a threat. I think that a movie can work just fine on its own merits, you know, like, without spending an extra hour showing them flying into space again and getting hit by the ribbon of radiation and all that. Anyway. [00:42:00] Speaker A: Yeah, so sometimes when you try to add too much prequel context into the movie, it can just become exhausting. And then you. You're spending all your time on something that doesn't matter as much as the main point you're trying to drive home, in my opinion. So I. I agree with you on that sense, Dan. Now, I also agree that it does help going into some films with that context, Especially, like, you know, if you have ADD or something like I do. [00:42:34] Speaker C: You can get lost. [00:42:35] Speaker A: But then if a movie's too long, you can get lost, too, and everybody, for that matter, will experience fatigue to some level. [00:42:45] Speaker C: Look, I've seen Batman's parents die so many times. [00:42:50] Speaker B: I'll give you that. No, I don't need to see that again. Like, that's the thing I've seen so many times. I'm like, okay, I get it. Well, we still did that. Even in Batman v Superman, which wasn't his movie, we still had to show that scene. I'm like, no, no, no. I don't want to see the pearls. The pearls falling again. This. This. This will upset you, Dan. But I have to mention that in. In man of Steel, the only part that I like to actually. Like, if you remember the first. Like, I want to say, like, I'm probably exaggerating, but, like, the first 30 minutes, I actually really liked, because it wasn't. It didn't have anything to do with Superman. If you remember, like, we were on Krypton with Jor el for, like, 20, 30 minutes, and they show Krypton exploding, and I'm like, that was really fucking cool. But, like, it had nothing to do with anything. You know, you didn't. You could argue you didn't need it at all, but, like, that was the only. [00:43:36] Speaker C: The worst version of that story I've ever seen in my entire life. It's worse than the cartoon. It's worse than the Super Friends. It's worse than the Alan Moore. It's worse than. It's worse than. What was that book? [00:43:49] Speaker B: The. [00:43:50] Speaker C: The adventure comic. The action comics reboot in the new 52. [00:43:53] Speaker B: The. [00:43:53] Speaker C: That's my favorite version of that. It was terrible. [00:43:56] Speaker B: I will find him. They got in their Kryptonian power suits and they were all new kung fu. All of a sudden, and like, gunkata and like. Or you liked it because something was happening. [00:44:08] Speaker C: You liked it because it was bad. You didn't like it? [00:44:11] Speaker B: Like, I didn't say that. [00:44:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:44:14] Speaker B: Huh. Something was happening. All right. [00:44:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, it's better. I mean, I guess it's technically better than the rest of the movie. I mean, man of Steel, it's way. [00:44:23] Speaker B: Better than the rest of the movie. Puts me to sleep. I love that opening scene. I like how man is 25 minutes long. [00:44:29] Speaker C: I like how man of Steel is such a flat line that when the Flash time travels to the events of man of Steel, they have to change what happens. All the Kryptonians are just attacking, and I'm like, wait, that's not what happened. That's not what happened at all. They attacked later. This is terrible, terrible, terrible. Fucking. They didn't want to do the thing where the Kryptonians attacked the city because everyone hated that. [00:44:49] Speaker B: So. [00:44:49] Speaker C: So they're like, we'll just. We'll just have it happen in the. In the. [00:44:51] Speaker B: In. [00:44:51] Speaker C: In the desert. Because it's different anyway. It's fine. [00:44:54] Speaker B: And I'll. I'll give this to Fantastic Four because I. There was a point again, anytime where there's a monster or a villain, like a Galactus level, where you're like, there's going to be casual, there's going to be collateral damage. There's no way. But they. They did a satisfact for me. They did a satisfactory job of like. And they. And they actually. They actually used the mole man. I'm like, oh, they brought him back in a purposeful way. Like, oh, he has. He has a subterranean city. Like, just put everyone underground. And then. Cuz. Cuz, you know, you agree. It's like, there's no fucking way that Galactus shows up and buildings don't get knocked over and people don't die, but they actually evacuated pretty much everyone that they could. And I'm like, okay, all right, you know, fine. [00:45:29] Speaker C: I. I have two gripes and you're gonna. You might laugh at me, but gripe number one, mole man rolls the moloids, who are funny little mole people. No moloids. What the fuck? Gripe number two, this is me. This is a me problem. In my imagination, when Galactus comes down and he's walking through the city and Reed Richards and all them are, like, trying to stop him, that's a classic thing that the denizens of New York remember seeing. You know, like, when they think of the Age of the Marvels, it starts Right there, you know, so that didn't happen in this movie because everyone was in the sewers, so they didn't see it. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:46:07] Speaker C: So that. It's. It's. I mean, that's my. That's my version of you not seeing Superman meet Lois or whatever. That's my version. That's my nitpick. So. Yeah. [00:46:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:16] Speaker C: I, like, the Galactus wanted to eat Franklin Richards. That's a. That's a common motivation for Galactus. Like, there's a story where he fights Odin. He, like, attacks Asgard. And it's because ODIN has a space Seed or something stupid like that, which triggers this whole fight. And, like, here it was Franklin Richards who had godlike power, you know, and there. [00:46:34] Speaker B: That's normally. It just. It didn't bother me this time. That's normally something that might bother me when it shows up in a movie. Like, when there's, like, a child that's, like, destined for greatness or, like. Like the cosmic baby that everyone wants or whatever. I'm like, okay, it didn't bother me this time. I'm like, all right. But I don't know. I. I don't know jack about the. I guess that's a thing. Is like, Franklin Richards like a God or something? I. I don't know anything about their stories or whatever. [00:46:58] Speaker C: He's, like, all powerful. They're not really sure what his powers are. The. The biggest thing I know of that he did was when they did the Heroes Reborn garbage with Onslaught. Franklin Richards went like this. And all the heroes that died got blipped. The Heroes Reborn universe instead. Instead of dying. [00:47:14] Speaker B: My. My only thing with charact. And I'm sure they explain it in the stories, but, like, my thing with characters that are that powerful, like Scarlet Witch or whatever, I'm like, so why doesn't she always just solve every. Like, she could just bend reality, right? She. She could just solve all these problems. [00:47:25] Speaker C: I think the whole thing with Franklin Richards is he doesn't know how to do things. You know, like, that's. That's the whole thing. I. I'm planning to read the Hickman Fantastic Four. That was the one that led into the big convergence event that led to the big secret war thing that they're. That they're mining for doom. Doomsday. [00:47:43] Speaker B: Doomsday. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [00:47:45] Speaker C: So I'm planning to read his Fantastic Four because that's kind of where his big. His big run starts and. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Because, like, I remember main character. That's bullshit. No, I'm just kidding. [00:47:54] Speaker C: How dare they there's like a panel. There's like a page I saw of, like, Reed Richards. Like, he can't sleep ever. His monitor is, like, full of problems that he's concerned about. It's like Galactus's hunger level. Like, the. [00:48:07] Speaker B: The. [00:48:08] Speaker C: The. The current peaceful state of the Shi' AR empire. Franklin Richards, powers, question mark. [00:48:14] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:48:15] Speaker C: Like, it's a mystery. [00:48:19] Speaker B: Yeah, they did a really good. I don't know. I don't know exactly how to, you know, articulate per se. But, like, they did a really good job of, like, I love the conversations reading. And sue had where. How do I put it? Like, because he. Reed is so smart. He thinks of everything. And sue knows he thinks. You know what I mean? Where, like, she called him out on it because he was like, I don't. I don't know what to do, or I. You know, the whole thing of, like, Galactus wants their baby. And sue was like, I know. No, I. I know. You've thought of it. Like, you think of everything. And he's like, no, I haven't considered that. Like, I know. You just admit that you have, because, you know, I mean, like, he doesn't want to admit that he's thought out that scenario. I mean, of course he has. He's a genius. He's thought of every possibility, and it kind of is what they end up going with, like, using him as bait. [00:48:58] Speaker C: So, Greg, what's your favorite version of the Fantastic Four? [00:49:03] Speaker A: I don't know, actually. I don't know the last Fantastic Four. [00:49:08] Speaker B: I've even seen Jessica Alba movies. [00:49:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I've seen the Jessica Alba movie, like, from 05. I think it's like, mid 2000s. Yeah. [00:49:20] Speaker C: Did you watch the Venture Brothers? [00:49:22] Speaker A: No, I never watched Avenger Brothers. [00:49:24] Speaker C: Okay. The Venture Brothers has a version of the Fantastic Four where I think it's like Mr. Impossible or something. Like, he can stretch and stuff, but he's kind of a. Has been. And his wife, she can only make. She only knows how to make her skin disappear. So you just see her circulatory system. She's totally useless. Their son is in a. In a chamber that keeps his. He's in a chamber full of oxygen. Oh, no. With no oxygen, because he's always on fire and screaming in pain. And of course, they don't have Ben Grimm. They have a guy who's all squishy and he's like a huge tumor. He's like. And, yeah, that's. That's the Fantastic Four in that show. [00:50:03] Speaker A: So, you know, which Fantastic Four. Do you guys like the best? [00:50:06] Speaker B: I used to not like any of them, but I like this one. [00:50:09] Speaker C: Chris likes the MCU Fantastic Four from Fantastic Four. First steps me. I'm gonna go with Ultimate Fantastic Four because that is a crazy book. Like, that is a. That's a good. That's a good deconstruction. Reed Richards is a sociopath. He's so smart. He just doesn't care about other people. Sue doesn't care about him. It's worth your time. It's worth your time. It's a crazy. There's a lot of body horror. They have a lot of really good writers. Mike Carey, who wrote Lucifer, he wrote the last 20 issues. And like, oh, my God, dude. Yeah, it goes to some dark places. It's really good. That said, I'm very excited. Reed Richards is a favorite character of mine. I really enjoy him as a character. You know, Robert Downey Jr. Is Dr. Doom. It's a choice. I'm curious to see what they'll do. [00:50:57] Speaker B: Supposedly, I read, like, that. That was him, that little cameo. Even though you don't see his face or whatever. Like, he was already filming stuff for Doomsday. So they. They had him on set. [00:51:05] Speaker C: It wasn't like, at the end of. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Shazam or where Henry cav. It was just some man with, like, the. The s. And I'm like, it could. It could have been me. Maybe it was me. Like, it could have been you. [00:51:16] Speaker C: You do have the same. That's true. So can we agree that? Can we agree that. [00:51:22] Speaker A: So wait. Time. Time out. I got a question about Dr. Doom here. Is he in the new movie or is he not in. [00:51:30] Speaker C: No, he's not in the movie. [00:51:31] Speaker B: He's. [00:51:31] Speaker C: He's in the post credit. He's in the post credits. [00:51:34] Speaker A: Ah, I got you. I got you. [00:51:36] Speaker C: He just shows up at the end, like, holding the baby, and she was like, you know? Yeah, maybe they know who he is. Maybe they don't, you know? So, you know, Superman and Fantastic Four, bold new days for their respective universes. Right. [00:51:49] Speaker B: I mean, can I. Can I talk about Sue Storm? I want to, like, kind of go off on a not. Not a. Not a rant, just like a tangent of, like. [00:51:57] Speaker A: Who's my favorite Fantastic Four character, by the way? Sue Storm. [00:52:02] Speaker B: We're in. We're in unison. The. I mean, what's her name? Vanessa Kirby. I haven't seen her in a lot. Like, she's been in, like, Mission Impossible and Fast and Furious and stuff. I. I thought she killed it in this movie. I Thought she was so good in this movie. And you can tell me if I'm like, whatever, reading it too much into whatever, but I. I feel like they were almost setting. Setting the seeds of, like. Well, sorry. I had a couple things I want to say, but I. I've always thought this were, like, again, she's always been my favorite character, and I. I always felt like Sue Storm was like. I don't know, like. Like, isn't she, like, insanely powerful, actually? Like, she's one of those characters, like, when she really cuts loose, like, you're in trouble. I mean, again, think of the ending of the movie. I mean, again, her baby was being threatened, so you could say she was, you know, extra berserk or something. Like, she. She was hurting Galactus. Like, no one else could do jack to him. He was the only one. She was, like, pushing him back, and I was like, holy. Like, you know, she. I always thought she was very powerful, but, like, seeing her, like, basically knock Galactus over, I was like, holy. You know, And I've seen shit in the cartoons and stuff. Like, there's an episode, she fights the Hulk, and she, like, does that trick where she. She can put a bubble around your head and you suffocate. And even. And the Hulk couldn't break it. He was trying to break it, and he couldn't, and he just passed the out. I'm like, so she can do that to, like, anybody. She's awesome. [00:53:16] Speaker C: I mean, there's a moment. Yeah, that's a fun scene where she. Where she's pushing Galactus into the. Into the portal. I love what he says. He's like, clever bugs. [00:53:24] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. They almost got him, but he can see that Frank was in the building. Or they should have kept the baby there till, like, the last second is what they should have done. [00:53:32] Speaker C: God, as he was walking, like, he's kicking cars around, I'm like, holy. They just, like, left the baby there. [00:53:37] Speaker B: Like. [00:53:37] Speaker C: Like, what if he gets squished? [00:53:39] Speaker B: Like, well, no, he. He was in a special bulletproof, like, whatever, containment crib or they had a special crib they built. Yeah. I don't know. No, and, like, I don't know, like, she. She's just. I mean, again, I always felt this way. It's like some of them. You know, I just felt like some of them kind of got the right end of the stick where, like, I mean, Reed's really smart, but, like, at the end of the day, his powers. He stretches. You know, the thing's just a rock guy who's kind. He's kind of strong. He's not as strong as the Hulk. He's, like, kind of strong. Johnny's pretty powerful. He can fly and shoot flames and. But, like, again, I feel like sue completely outclasses all of them. Like, she's, she's really power. I mean, and again, like, I think there's this thing in the comics briefly. Like, wasn't she, like, evil or malice or something? And, like, she was like, you know, they were kind of fucked. [00:54:23] Speaker C: No, she's pretty strong. There's a moment in the Ultimates, the Alan Hickman run where, where she and Thor team up to kill the Hulk. And they're able to pull it off because she traps the Hulk in that force field as Thor slams it with thunder and let. And they just blow him up like, there's nothing you can do about it now. He had nowhere to go. Yeah, she's pretty strong. The Thing was once one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel universe, but, I mean, the Hulk just does absurd things in his comic book. So, you know, when you're on. When you're on, like, a planet with, like, gravity, like, many times that of Earth's, and you're still punching things out, and then you go back and fight the Thing, it's like, well, what do you think's gonna win? I mean, you know, it's an issue with scaling, it's an issue with inconsistency. You know, it's. It's like Dragon Ball Z. It's not even worth asking who's stronger than who. Although the Hulk is obviously stronger than the Thing. I, I, I love the Thing very much. Because he's a monster. [00:55:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:25] Speaker C: You know, and not because of anything, but because of the way he looks. That means people treat him differently, and it impacts his relationships with people, you know? [00:55:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, whatever. Synchronicity of like, again, you can tell me if I'm reading too much into whatever, but, like, I do feel like they set up a few things with, like, again, like I said, you know, there is a thing where she's evil at one point. And, like, I'm not going to say the word evil per se, but she was very, like, aggressive in this at times. Like 10, I'll say the word intense. Like, again, like, when she's, like, pushing glass, she's like, you know, she makes some these sort of sounds. And, well, I think I feel like that was a moment where they were, you know, like, they had the birth scene where she was pushing. Right. And it's like, you Know, now she's pushing Galactic. I feel like they were doing, like, a thing or. And I swear she was making the same guttural, like, sounds like, you know, and then. And there were times where she was really intense. Like, seriously, like when. When the Silver Surfer's chasing their ship or whatever. Like, she. She turns to John. She's like, kill her. She. She says it like this really scary voice. She's like, kill her. She's after your nephew. Kill her. He's like, all right, all right. He's even kind of like, all right. I don't know. I. I don't normally see, like, an intense side of her is all I'm saying. [00:56:33] Speaker C: Protective. She's a protective mother. Chris, what are you talking about? Well, I agree. She turned in a very, very, very excellent. You know. Yeah, I liked it a lot. I liked all of the movie. I, I. I like. I enjoyed it. Ooh, what. What's the actress's name who plays the Silver Surfer? Who was that again? She was in the Wolfman. [00:56:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. No, she. She's good, too. And I guess, anyway, we got to see her in human form, so. Yeah, briefly. Briefly, sure. Yeah. [00:57:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Which is which. Which makes sense, because Galactus just sort of turns people into his little heralds. Yeah. It's a great, great film. Great movie. Excited for what comes next. I guess it's. What. Are we on to Doomsday, or is Spider man coming out first? [00:57:16] Speaker B: I'm not sure what's next on the docket? I mean, that's, like, the one that they did set it up, but I was hoping they'd, like, really? You know, because, again, as far as thunderbolts, we just see a ship. I thought it would, like, go right into, like, okay, here's why they're, like, in thunderbolts or. Anyway, it sort of led up to it. [00:57:37] Speaker C: So do you think that Venom and Morbius and Madame Web could defeat these versions of the Fantastic Four? [00:57:45] Speaker B: I. I think the symbiote should bond to Galactus because he's the most powerful creature that it's. And, like, that would. That would be. Oh, no. Actually, no, I'm gonna complain about. [00:57:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:57] Speaker B: Where was she? Hulk. [00:57:57] Speaker C: She. [00:57:57] Speaker B: Hulk was on the team at one point. Why wasn't she? She needs to be on this. Oh, no, but she. She replaces the thing or something, Right? Because they needed a strong person. I don't know. I don't build up to it. It'll happen one day. She Hulk, season two. [00:58:10] Speaker C: Well, and there you. There you have it. Oh, well, I guess that's. I guess that's lowbrow. You know, we'll be talking about SummerSlam soon, so I don't know if. If you don't give a about superhero movies, then we don't give a about you now. I'm just kidding. Come back for that. All right.