The Fragmentation of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and WWE! part 1

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Ashy, right? You know. Oh, wait, no. That's Demon Toast. Long show. All right. Countdown, countdown. Your countdown. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Hey, there's four of us. Fantastic Four. [00:00:12] Speaker C: Wow. [00:00:13] Speaker A: And who is who, you think, Goldberg? Yeah, who is who? That's a good question. Dr. Doom. Yeah, he's on that, right? [00:00:23] Speaker B: Legit question. Do you think that movie will do well? Like, I'm. Because, again, we were talking about all these moves. Well, that's one of the topics, right? We're talking about, like, why certain movies bombed or whatever, or, you know, the MCU losing its audience and all that. [00:00:33] Speaker A: I think the Fantastic Four, being a known quantity and having a great trailer and a good cast and, like, being an actual Marvel property that people know, I think that'll help it. [00:00:44] Speaker B: It'll help. I don't. These days, I don't know what's going to do well on it. We've talked about this. It's like, there's no guaranteed formula anymore. It's like, oh, well, this movie has actors that people know. [00:00:54] Speaker C: Chris. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Gotta do the intro. I mean, the real question is, you know, do you think Goldberg could beat the Fantastic Four? On that note, welcome to Lowbrow. I'm Daniel. You might know me as King Loki. I also edit Death Wish Poetry magazine. I'm your host. Here we talk about comic books and wrestling because they're fucking awesome, and if you don't like them, get the fuck out. With me are my co hosts, Greg, Chris and Matt. What's up, guys? [00:01:22] Speaker C: Hey, Dan. Hey, everybody. [00:01:26] Speaker A: Yeah, so, you know, Chris was just rambling about the Fantastic Four before we did the intro here because, you know, he's really good at this and, you know. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Intro. We got an intro. [00:01:37] Speaker A: I know, I know. We're doing a show or something. But no. True story, though. You know, the MCU is putting out a new Fantastic Four movie. You might have heard about it. You know, if you've been to the movies in the past few months or, I don't know, around on the Internet, you might have seen. You might have heard this, like, rousing, orchestral fantastic. You know, and, you know, I mean, hey, you know what they say. I mean, fourth time's the charm, right? I mean, that's how it goes with the, you know, insert. Insert clip of the Roger Corman Fantastic Four here, please. [00:02:11] Speaker B: Yep, the best one. [00:02:12] Speaker A: So, great film. Great film. By the way, if you haven't watched it, there's a documentary, I think it's on Tubi, called Doomed. And it's about. They interview the entire cast of that movie, the Roger Corman Fantastic Four and how they didn't know it was going in the can. The guy that plays Dr. Doom is a total fucking ham. He's like, Yes, I played Dr. Doom in the Fantastic Four. It's a great fucking documentary. So, yeah, the MCU's had a rough few years and we will be talking about wrestling in a minute here. But these things are related, as always, which is the point of the show kind of. I mean, sometimes we just talk about Paul Heyman for an hour, but. [00:02:51] Speaker D: I. [00:02:51] Speaker C: Could talk about Paul Heyman for an hour. [00:02:54] Speaker A: Yeah, Greg is our resident Paul Heyman expert. But, yeah, I mean, you know, me and Matt thought it would be a good idea to zero in on the MCU and like, what's going on, because there's some signs of life, which is funny to say. This thing ruled the box office for years. I mean, you know, which was pretty cool as a comic book fan. So recently a movie came out called Thunderbolts. Matt, what'd you think of Thunderbolts? [00:03:17] Speaker D: I thought Thunderbolts was. I enjoyed it quite a bit. In fact, I think one of the times that we spoke recently, Dan, we were talking about how I thought Thunderbolts was kind of a launching pad to have Marvel basically be back. Right. Because Thunderbolts and Captain America, even before that kind of showed that they have a plan again. They spent a few years, in my opinion, just kind of like throwing stuff at the wall and hoping that it would stick. You know, no offense to those movies, but, you know, some of them were solid, but for the most part, they were just there and they were trying things. They had stingers at the end of movies. They had, you know, scenes at the end of credits and just no follow up, really. And then Thunderbolts came along. And not only was it, in my opinion, a rock solid movie that had depth and really paid attention to characters and really try to develop the characters, but also at the end of the movie, spoilers. You know, it showed that there was going to be a connection to Fantastic Four, which, you know, we were talking about how Fantastic Four looks pretty good, I agree. But it got me even more excited for Fantastic Four with Thunderbolt. So it was very interesting to me when, you know, reports came out that Thunderbolts kind of flopped in the. In the theaters despite. [00:04:39] Speaker B: Again, I didn't know that until you told me that, Matt. Like, I. I thought I did well, but. Yeah, no, you're right. [00:04:44] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, comparative to like, my salary, it did phenomenal. But, like, in the theaters. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:04:52] Speaker D: In. In theaters, it just. It just, like, underperformed. And it kind of like, you know, even though I'm. I'm, like, basically a broke teacher, it broke my heart because I thought it was truly a return to form and where, like, you know, even though they made, I think, over $300 million, like, it's considered a flop, right? Because it just did not make back what they put out. And it also, like, there. There was a lot of reasons for it. You know, I sent you guys a video from ScreenCrush, who, you know, it's not a perfect channel, but they do, I think, a good job of, like, breakdowns and talking about the nerd industry. Right. And I think that they really broke down exactly. Kind of what's going on with Marvel in general. And that's just simply, like, there might be. We're still suffering from the oversaturation. You know, I did some quick math before we jumped on, and I think part of the reason is exactly. Steiner math. Yes, Steiner math from an ELA teacher with Marvel. And I did it quick, so I might have missed one or two, but there have been 36 films so far since 2008, since Iron man, the first Iron Man. There's four confirmed upcoming, including Fantastic Four, and then there's five planned that's officially on the docket. You know, we don't have dates for those. And then that's just the movies. As far as shows, there's been 28 shows, and that's including, like, the Marvel and like, ABC and ABC Family and Hulu stuff, you know. So, you know, every once in a while you'll get a connection. But there's been 28 total with, like, six upcoming, including, like, the seasons for, like, Daredevil and Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man. So I think the point is, is that Thunderbolts was great, in my opinion, but I think a lot of people went because they were like. Didn't go. I'm sorry. Because they were like, what the heck is Thunderbolts? And how does it connect? And honestly, I think it's very tough to understand how things connect in the Marvel universe because I have seen all 36 films and all 28 shows. But guess what? I still need to watch a video to understand, like, to remember what's going to happen. [00:07:16] Speaker B: I didn't know that either. [00:07:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. Thunderbolts is really was really good. I mean, I didn't see Black Widow. I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Better things to do with my life. I didn't watch it. I thought about it. For a minute, I was joking with Justin, like, oh, we got to watch Thunderbolts, bro. We got to watch a Black Widow. But I was going to skip thunderbolts because on one level, you have years of bad Marvel movies and you're like, I can't. This is heartbreaking. Yeah. Do this anymore. It was bad enough that, like, Zack Snyder went and, like, drove the DC Cinematic Universe into a ditch for, like, 10 plus years. Him and, like, other directors not knowing what the hell they were doing. That was like, okay, that was one train wreck. But then, like, she Hulk. I kind of like the Turtles, but it wasn't great, you know. Oh, my gosh. What else came out? Oh, the Marvels. I mean, oh, what a terrible movie, you know, And I was. I walked in having liked the first Captain Marvel and being like, whoa, man, maybe this will be good. And, yeah, you get like this terrible, terrible cringe movie. So I. I stopped. I couldn't do it anymore. Moon Knight was a disaster, and I'm just like, you know, I couldn't do it anymore. So I was gonna skip thunderbolts because I'm. I'm also. You had that aspect of, like, 10 years of bad. Several years of bad movies. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:34] Speaker A: And then the fact that Thunderbolts isn't a bunch of. Has been no name characters. It's a bunch of villains pretending to be superheroes while the Avengers are dead or in another universe or whatever happened to him, you know, And I'm like, not Thunderbolts. Could have called it something else. But, you know, I'm watching the trailers and I see the sentry, and I'm like, now you got my attention. I love the Century. Like, I'm a reader of the New Avengers. I'm a reader of the Dark Reign era. I like that, you know, so I. I showed up because I'm a giant nerd and I know what the century is, but, yeah, you know, you're 100% right. I mean, I don't know. Chris, why did you go see Thunderbolts? [00:09:15] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I. I was gonna skip it too. I. I don't know anything about that. Like, I didn't know these characters. I did. I did see Black Widow, which is funny because that's what introduces, like, three of those characters. Like, I, I did, I did. I did my homework, you could say. But, like, yeah, I mean, I heard very, very good word of mouth mouth about it. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, and the trailers look cool. It's interesting to me that, like, I don't know, I Guess we could say, like, like, super basic level. Like, would you say, like, Captain America did better box office? Why is it just simply because, like, you were saying, like, hey, that's a known property. Oh, hey. Like, I. I know Captain America. Or like, I. I know what that is. Like, you know, so people kind of showed up for that, even though that. Critically, Thunderbolts actually did a lot better. So that's why I almost didn't see Cap4 either, because I was, like, kind of hearing some stuff, and I was like, you know, I don't know. I was kind of done with these movies in general. I might see, you know, whatever comes out next. I don't. I don't know. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Good old Greg. True, true. And I mean, like, yeah, like, a guy like Greg, like, you're gonna look at all this and be like, I don't. I don't know any of this. Leave me alone. But, like, yeah, I mean, like, Captain America probably did do better because it was Captain America. Because people like Mackie. You know what I mean? [00:10:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:26] Speaker A: I thought that was like, a return to form. Like, yeah, it was dorky and stupid, but that's what I'm here for. [00:10:32] Speaker B: Like. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Like, there's Japanese fighter pilots, and he's flying up to the cockpit screaming, we're not your enemy, as if they can hear him. Like, yes, fantastic. Do more of that. You know, Thunderbolts is the better movie. You're right. I'll just say right now, I did not see Black Widow. I didn't miss anything. I didn't see Echo or whatever. All the other characters Echo. I saw Captain America. I saw the Falcon in Winter Soldier, which is where the US Agent character is from. [00:11:00] Speaker B: Yeah, that. I'd say that's required reading. Like, yeah, I agree. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah, that is absolutely required reading. And it's like, it's one of those things where, like, you know, I also watched the Screen Crush video. I thought it was very good. The main thesis of that video was basically that, like, people were happy to watch all these movies because they were good and it was exciting. They were building to something. There was a season finale built in with the Avengers, and, like, that stopped being a thing after Endgame. They were just sort of making movies. They made Shangshi, which was quite good until the end. It was a pretty good movie. I was like, I have a new favorite superhero right next to Thor now. I mean, it's Jackie Chan in the Marvel universe, basically. And then he doesn't come back. Right. They make. You know, they make, like, all these things. They make Moon Knight. Terrible, terrible, terrible show. It doesn't represent Moon Night at all. But, I mean, it's Moon night. Right? [00:11:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I was gonna say I skipped Eternals. Didn't really hurt me at all. Like, I'm. I'm okay. [00:11:58] Speaker A: You're right. And Eternals was decent for its themes. Like, it was a decent movie. I mean, you know, like, I liked a lot of the things Eternals did. It didn't work all together, but, like, the only real thing that showed up was the. The giant. The giant celestial ocean. Right. I almost said Eternal. I get them mixed up a lot. [00:12:17] Speaker B: So that's all I need to know. There's a Celestial in the ocean. [00:12:19] Speaker A: Okay. [00:12:20] Speaker B: I'm good. All right. [00:12:23] Speaker A: Honestly, like, that's the way this stuff should be, to be perfectly honest with you. You can just watch Captain America 4. You don't need to know who Thunderbolt Ross is. There's all this connective tissue to the. The Incredible Hulk movie from Chris. When did we see that? [00:12:36] Speaker B: I was gonna say, that is, which I wasn't expecting. A Hulk movie is required reading. You have to have seen that movie. Like, you have to. Because I'm like. And I. I've seen it. I didn't watch it since 2008. So I don't. I don't remember shit. I don't remember. Like, apparently this stuff was set up in that movie. I'm like, all right. [00:12:52] Speaker A: It's not really required reading. They give you everything you need to know up front, which is how you should do it, you know? Now, like, I would say, like, Infinity War, if you didn't see all those movies, they don't establish the characters again. They really don't. [00:13:04] Speaker B: They don't have time. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Yeah, and that's the way that should be. Like, that's the thing with comic books. Like, how are you going to buy Secret Invasion if you didn't read the Build Up? You didn't read Civil War and the Fallout of the Avengers. You know what I mean? Like, it's a comic book. Nerd. What are you doing here? Get out. You know, go watch wrestling. Oh, my gosh. I'm just kidding, of course. But, like, yeah, getting back to the point. Yeah, there's a lot of, like, brand confusion. Like, people were kind of trained to think that, like, oh, I gotta watch these things. And then there was no payoff for years. And now Marvel's like, fuck, we're back. Look, guys, it's Captain America. [00:13:50] Speaker B: You say, we're back again. Thunderbolts didn't do super well again. That's the other. Are they back? [00:13:55] Speaker A: They're trying to be back. [00:13:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:58] Speaker A: You know, you have Captain America. Like, look, remember there was a movie called Eternals? Here's connective tissue, guys. It's here. It's real. Oh, the Incredible Hulk. That happens. Oh, my God. We have a red Hulk, you know, and this is our new Captain America. And then they even reference him in Thunderbolts, which I appreciate. I love that sequence. There's a sequence at the end where they're now. Oh, no spoilers. They're now the New Avengers. And there's like a lawsuit from Sam saying that that's a copyrighted name. Motherfucker. Bitches need to pay for that. [00:14:29] Speaker B: You know, that's a movie. Like, I want to see that movie. Like, the two Avengers team squaring off, like. Or fighting for their brand name or whatever. Like, that's a movie right there. Like, that's a TV show. [00:14:39] Speaker A: That sounds like a WWE promotion. [00:14:41] Speaker C: It does. Raw versus smackdown. Crown jewel or something. [00:14:45] Speaker A: Greg, did you see Captain America Civil War? [00:14:48] Speaker C: I did not, no. [00:14:50] Speaker A: Okay, well, there's basically a giant WWE match at the airport where all the Avengers are fighting each other. It's pretty amazing. [00:14:59] Speaker D: This is. [00:14:59] Speaker A: That's the real reason, like, I started getting into wrestling again, because, like. [00:15:05] Speaker B: That. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Happens in comic books a lot. [00:15:08] Speaker C: Right. [00:15:08] Speaker A: The movies have kind of been breaking my heart for a few years. And WWE put Raw on Netflix, and I'm like, oh, cool, let's do this. And it's. It's the same thrill. Really. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I want to make. I want to make a small. I don't know how big of a deal this is, or micro point, if you will. But, like, for example, like, you know, our friend Greg, we could use him as like a layman as far as, like, you know, he's not totally up to date with the Marvel stuff or. My one friend. Yeah. So we get. We use, use, use you as an example. My one friend from work I talked to, he made a point about this I just wanted to bring up. We're like, there was like, this kind of. And we've seen this before with some other movies. Like the whole. What you were just saying, like, the rebranding thing, right? Where a movie could have alternate titles or whatever. But, like, this was like a thing with thunderbolts. Like, if you remember, like, all the marketing, there'd be thunderbolts and then an asterisk. And then, you know, we went into a. Spoilers. They're called the New Avengers as well. Like, it's an alternate Whatever. Every time I bring that up with my one friend, like, he's just like. He's like. He was like, freaking out. Like, what. What is it though? And I'm like, well, it's kind of. He's like, because. And there has been some, like, marketing and stuff where it says, like, New Avengers on the poster and stuff. And he's like. He's like, all come. He's like, ah, like, what. Like, what do I. What's it called? Like, what do I order on the ticket when I get the ticket? I'm like, just. It's thunderbolts or, you know, but some. I've seen some things that's. I don't. Again, I don't know how many, you know, average people are confused by that or whatever. But, like, there is like, a little bit of, like, okay, like, what is it? Like, New Avengers, Thunderball. I'm like, maybe that contributed in some small way. I don't know. Like, I'm just saying, like, I. I have one act, though, about that. Like, my one friend was, like, very confused about it. [00:16:42] Speaker A: Like, I'll be honest, as a, As a, As a proud, like, nerd. I'm glad this stuff isn't. Is like, fading from the mainstream off. I used to. I used to be teased for liking Spider Man. Now I have every dork. Yeah, like, seriously, like, I have every dork, like, wearing Thor T shirts. And I'm like, you don't like Thor? You haven't read a. You tell me anything about the mythology. You probably don't even know what his ax's name is. You know, it's torment. By the way, he has another one called Yarn Beyond. But, you know, I mean, who's splitting hairs? I do take a vicarious pleasure in, like, the average moviegoer not knowing what's going on. Yeah. I think that Thunderbolts and Captain America have good word of mouth, as Chris mentioned, you know, and I think that, like, yay. You know, I think Captain America is already on Disney plus people have probably seen it and, you know, hey, I think Fantastic Four, it's got a lot of. A lot of buzz. I mean, Chris is like, I'm gonna skip it. But, you know, Chris is, like, thinking about how much he hates the Fantastic Four, because I know Chris hates the Fantastic Four. I love them. I think they're great. I don't know. I don't give a fuck what Chris. [00:17:51] Speaker B: It's. I'll just phrase it. It's an uphill battle I might still see. I'm not saying I Won't see it. It's just. I'll have to hear certain things about it. I'll be all right. Twist my arm. All right. [00:18:00] Speaker A: I like that they're approaching it, like, because everyone is very familiar. Like, not everyone is like me. Not everyone has read Ultimate Fantastic Four, which casts them in a more cynical, nihilistic light, more dystopian light, if you will, and deconstructs the characters in really dramatic ways. Not everyone's read that. Not everyone's read the brilliant, you know, Hickman Run, where it's high concept and crazy and spins, spans the multiverse. Not everyone's read that. Most people are familiar with the shitty 90s cartoon. They're familiar with the. The fucking Alba cartoon, whatever the fuck, with the guy from the Shield. They're familiar with the dorky blue costume. Oh, gee whiz, Flame on. You know, like, they're familiar with. Oh, no, it's the Impossible man to the Fantasticar. Dunna, Lana. I love that Marvel wisely is playing into that. They have them in a world that is like that Bradbury retro futurism. And it looks compelling. It looks different. It's not like. It's not like the Marvels, where it looks like everything else, you know? [00:19:08] Speaker B: You know, it looks cool. [00:19:10] Speaker A: And there's also the excitement of Galactus, like, actually being Galactus, you know, like he's losing over the Statue of Liberty. [00:19:20] Speaker D: I agree. I, I definitely, I'm. I'm. I'm very excited for Fantastic Four. In fact, I already bought my tickets for the local theater just to make sure I don't. It's not going to sell out, but. Yeah, but I wanted to, I wanted to just lock in the time and date, you know, Know, this way I can put it on the calendar. But, you know, you bring up the fact that, you know, there are, you know, other versions of Fantastic Four and the fact that, like, Marvel is kind of claiming that it's back, but I think that's like, you know, possibly I'm going to be interested to see how Fantastic Four does in the box office, because I think that's part of the problem is like, has Marvel done too much to basically ruin their reputation where they can't officially get it back? You know, has it become kind of too confusing? You know, because I always use the barometer. Because I'm a middle school teacher, I always use the kids as a barometer. Right. So you know, when event. Yeah, when. When Avengers was coming out, leading all the way to Infinity War and then End Game. Like, I couldn't get them to stop talking about the movies, which was amazing for me because I was like, all right, let's keep going, you know, like, forget about your assignment. Like, let's talk about Columbus. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Let's. [00:20:34] Speaker D: Exactly right. And it was amazing for me. But in recent years, you know, since. Since End Game, basically, the talk has pretty much stopped. And, like, it's just not reaching the audience that I think it wants to reach. The. The kids don't want to watch the new movies anymore. You know, the last couple weeks of school, you know, it's been. It was pretty laid back. So, like, every once in a while, I would want to. You know, I'd be like, hey, guys, you just want to watch, like, you know, 20 minutes of a movie or something? And nobody wanted to watch any comic book movies whatsoever. It wasn't even, like, a thought thrown out by a single kid. You know, they wanted to watch. They. They were picking, like, Disney old 90s Disney movies instead of Marvel, you know, and then I just. You know, just because I'm curious, I was like, how come you got. You know, like, 10 years ago, everybody wanted to watch the Avengers. How come you guys don't. And they're like, we don't get it anymore. There's too much going on. I was like, okay, all right. That makes sense. You know, so, like, you know, I'm somebody who. I watch everything, and I still get confused and have to, you know, watch those recap videos. [00:21:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:43] Speaker D: So for other people to not watch everything, you know, it's one of those things where, like, why would they go watch Fantastic Four? Whether it's getting phenomenal reviews or it looks amazing, you know, like, why. What's. What's the. What's the hook to go watch it for somebody who really doesn't know what's going on? You know, because they're just like, oh, I'm just gonna go and be confused. You know, I brought up Fantastic Four to, like, one of my students, and they were like, which one? The one with Michael B. Jordan. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Which one? [00:22:11] Speaker D: And I was like. [00:22:14] Speaker B: The best one. [00:22:15] Speaker D: Yeah. But, yeah, like, a lot of people don't even know that there's a Fantastic Four movie coming out. Which kind of blows my mind because, like Dan said before, like, you know, if you go to the movies, I. I'm one of those people that still has cable. I apologize. But, like, every commercial break, there is a Fantastic Four commercial. You know, even on YouTube, like, you watch a video, and, like, every fourth video, you get a Fantastic Four ad. So, like, it kind of blows my mind that people don't know that it's coming out. But it also makes sense because a lot of people have tuned out to Marvel and it's. A lot of it is because in my opinion, like, if you're not watching everything, you're confused. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Greg, Greg, did you know there was a Fantastic Four movie coming out? [00:22:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I did, but only because I went to see the Friends movie with Chris, like Last Friendship. And yeah, there were posters and stuff for it, but I don't know, like, I actually don't see all these commercials Matt's talking about. I don't see the ads on YouTube. I don't see. Yeah, well, a lot of these Marvel movies. Like, I don't know, maybe I'm. Maybe I'm simple or something, but. But like, movies in general are just so complicated for me to digest without proper context. [00:23:40] Speaker B: Like, this is a good Eurole man. [00:23:42] Speaker C: Here or yeah, yeah, I am. Especially in the comic book Marvel world. Anyway, I do need that proper context going in. Otherwise I'm like, what the hell is happening? So I would do something like Matt did. Watch the recap video or even watch the full video if I have time and can get access to it. And then maybe even watch the recap video after the full video to make sure I didn't lose anything in the shuffle of that previous prequel. Prerequisite, if you will, of the movie I'm going to see because, well, for one, I'll just lay it out here. I have adhd, so it's very hard to digest everything from movies in general. And yeah, like, I feel like Marvel movies are. I, I don't know, maybe you guys will laugh at me. There's a lot going on, like, for me compared to wrestling. I actually think the Marvel movies are way more to digest than wrestling. Like wrestling. Yeah. I was totally lost when I turned on the first Raw on Netflix because I'm like, what's. What, what are they fighting for? Like the Samoan. I forget the, the name of it off the top of my head. The. The symbol for being the tribal chief. Yes, that. Exactly. So I had no idea what was going on there. It would have been great. But how do you really launch yourself into wrestling after not watching it for, geez, like five, six years? And it wasn't even a lot of wrestling in the last five, six years I watched. So yeah, I, I feel like if you jump into my Marvel, you can. The movies, you can watch the recaps, which is an excellent idea by Matt. Do you know which recaps to watch. That's also another thing to bring to the forefront here. How would you get the proper context of that? But jumping into wrestling, I feel like, yeah, there you won't have the proper context jumping in, but watch a few episodes and then it will all start to click and then you'll probably get like, curious, okay, what was this damn bloodline thing that they keep talking about? Why is this guy keep saying he's the tribal chief and all this stuff? Like, I so like, if Chris wanted to jump into wrestling, I think he could catch up pretty quickly. Now if I wanted to dive into Marvel and have complete context of it, like, what would that look like for me? Specifically the Fantastic Four. Because obviously Marvel stands way more than the Fantastic Four. [00:26:33] Speaker A: Yeah, right. And like, you know, like, obviously, like you could just go to your wise nerd friends and ask us and we would give you like, you know, a list of movies. But you are right, like I've told. [00:26:45] Speaker C: Chris, you're my wiseman, like Paul Heyman. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Does that make you my tribal chief? I don't think so, my good sir. But like my point, no, I'm not the tribal Chris. [00:26:58] Speaker C: Like I could be Bron Breaker. [00:27:00] Speaker A: Okay, you can be Bron Breaker. You got it. But no, I've told Chris, like, Chris, you don't need to watch all these things. You could literally just put on the newest episode of Raw. There is a tiny recap whenever anyone comes out. And there's not that much, there's continuity, but it doesn't matter that much. What matters is the moment, which is crazy. You will get more out of it. It'll be more impactful when like, you know, having watched Jey USO's climb and then him get have his, his title stolen from him by Gunther, there's more. Like, it'll hit harder, you know, but yeah, there's less junk, ironically, because it's wrestling. Right? Like I consider comics to be, despite being sold to children, I consider them to be like more heady than other forms of low brow entertainment. You know, just because it's literature at the end of the day, you know, but there is a lot of junk. And with these movies, I love that we've gotten to a place where there's a lot of junk. And like, yeah, you can just watch the Fantastic Four, right? You actually can. But I think that the Marvel logo, the Marvel logo before it has a bit of a stigma. Not just because we had several years of bad movies, but because it's like, oh, I didn't watch all this this Narish Kite, you know, and it's like something like Thunderbolts. Listen, there's a ton of bad action movies that come out every year that people just go see. They watch them and Thunderbolts, like, it has that look of an action movie. You know, it has a bunch of characters that some of them look like superheroes, but it's not really the vibe they're going for at all. And like, yeah, people didn't go see it because it was another Marvel movie and it's not a character they know, you know. [00:28:45] Speaker D: 100. Actually, I thought you guys made some phenomenal points here because, like, I think one of the questions that I had coming into this recording was, you know, the video that I shared with you guys was, you know, is part, part of the question was it is Marvel too confusing? Right? So my question to you guys was going to be, is WWE too confusing? Right? And Greg pointed out, and then, you know, Dan, you kind of put the cherry on top is that, you know, it could be confusing at first, right? But all you have to do is basically watch one episode, maybe two, three, and you're kind of caught up. And there's a lot of reasons for that. Number one, you guys pointed out, there are built in recap videos that you don't have to seek out. Like, you don't have to find a screen crush, you don't have to find a screen rant. You don't have to find, you know, all these YouTube channels. It's just WWE being like, hey, did you miss last week or the last three years? Well, here you go. Here's all the information that you need, right? And then you're caught up, right? I also think, like, listen, like, Marvel doesn't have the luxury of doing this, but WWE is weekly, right? So, you know, if there is a stinger at the end of an episode of somebody, you know, appearing for the first time in a long time, or a brand new character, you don't have to wait three years for the next movie where they're gonna take place in, you know, you can just watch next week and bam. And you're gonna be, you're gonna, you're gonna see exactly what's gonna, you know, what's next, you know, even something, you know, love it or hate it, you know, Goldberg appearing for the first time in, in a few years. Like, you're gonna, you're gonna see a recap video probably next week of the. Of some things that Goldberg has done and you're. They're going to talk about it and they're going to try to explain why he's here. You know, you don't have to wait months or years for the next movie. You know, the only issue with WWE that I kind of see from people is that, you know, unfortunately, it's just not all in one place. And therefore, sometimes it's hard to digest, even with recap videos, because, you know, they do have four, sometimes five weekly shows. You know, again, I'm somebody who watches everything, you know, but, like, if you really want to know exactly what's going on and like, skip the recap videos, like I sometimes do, you have to watch Raw, you have to watch nxt, you have to watch nowadays Evolve. You have to watch Smackdown. And honestly, like, NXT now has a working relationship with tna. So, like, you should be watching tna. You know, WWE just is about to buy AAA in Mexico. You kind of have to know what's going on there if you want to watch, you know, those things and not need a recap video. But the thing is, is that if you don't want to, all you have to do is just sit there through the recap videos and you're kind of golden. You know, I once knew somebody who only watched the monthly pay per views and that's it. And they were like. And I was like, how. How do you. How can you do that? Like, don't you want to watch the in between? And they're like, no. Before every match, they just do that video. It's perfect, you know, And I was like, you know, something that kind of makes sense. You probably save a lot of time that way, you know, you probably get a lot more done than I do, you know. But yeah, you know, like, my question is like, you know, because you guys sometimes mention, like, hey, I don't watch Smackdown. So, like, I don't know exactly what's going on there, but I'll watch the highlights. So I do know what's going on. Like, do you? My question to you guys is, do you think WWE is too confusing or could it go the way of Marvel where maybe they eventually do too much to the point where it does start to turn people off? [00:32:33] Speaker A: It's a good question. So I mostly just watch Raw. Like, I'll put on Smackdown, but it's a month behind at best. And so I'm not watching broadcast TV and I'm not around on Fridays. And if I am around on Fridays, I'm work. I know. You know, I'm editing Death Wish. I'm conducting interviews. Friday is a free day for me. You know, so, yeah, I don't get to watch it. So it's mostly just Raw and, like, the big events, you know. So, like, yeah, like, when Stephanie Vacair came on Raw, you know, I'm watching for Rare Ripley. That's my. That's my queen. I love her. Stephen Vakir comes out and I'm like, oh, where's this girl been? And she's. She's not just, like, really, really gorgeous and has, like, a dark aesthetic. She's really talented. She's really fun, you know, despite how they sexualize her. And, like, I'm like, where did she come from? I. I hate that. It's so stupid. But, yeah, like, my point is that, like, yeah, she's from another show and it's like, she's part of the lineup now, right? But I would have liked to have been acquainted with her before. And it's because there's all these shows. And personally, like, just from the context of just watching Raw, like, I get all the context. I really need to watch Raw. And, you know, Raw had me pumped, you know, to watch WrestleMania 41. I was all excited. I couldn't wait because of all the build up that had happened. And, you know, obviously we talked about what happened at WrestleMania 41. Thanks, the Rock. But, like, I think that, like, there's potential for it to get confusing, especially when, like, they do their big crossover events there. You know, they're. They're big events where all these other characters come out. Like, I didn't know who La Knight was. [00:34:11] Speaker C: They've been. [00:34:11] Speaker A: They've been having him make little cameos here and there, but I'm like, yo, who's this. Who's this cute guy with the sunglasses? Like, what the. You know? And, yeah, I think that there's a big problem. It's that media is fragmented, right? Greg's like, I don't know. I haven't seen any Fantastic Four commercials. And me and Matt are like, they're everywhere. And like, yeah, we're all watching different things. Like, I put on my YouTube and I watch my atheist talk shows and my political streamers and my video game Nourish Kite, right? And then I. I put on Shutter, and there's no commercials on Shutter. I'm watching horror movies on Shutter. And then I go. Go to Tubi and I might see a commercial or two. Greg, you watch. You're watching your music videos and your wrestling stuff. You're not gonna see the same media because Google's not tracking your Google searches that say Fantastic Four cast list. You Know, like. [00:35:06] Speaker C: Exactly. So, yeah, I'll kind of break in to what I watch, if that's okay. And we can kind of compare and contrast. So for me, I, I totally watch Raw, and that's because it's convenient. It's on Netflix. I, I, I don't know what the hell where the hell Smackdown is. I guess it's on USA or something Friday nights. But, like, it's too much for me to track now. I will say I, I don't need to reserve any time for anything. Actually, when I'm working, I prefer something on in the background. It helps my adhd. Now Marvel. There's no way in hell that I could watch that shit and work. Like, it's just too complicated wrestling. I understand it. Like, it's like, we know Paul Heyman's gonna come out, he's gonna yell, ladies and gentlemen, and Seth and Braun, the bronze will come out. And, you know, all this will happen. Like, it's pretty, you know, maybe I'll miss, like, some kind of move somebody does or something. But, yeah, I, I at least get enough context from, like, working and watching it that I would from the recap video. Probably more, actually. Now, if I watch Fantastic Four and try to work at the same time, it will not work. But I feel like I could totally watch Smackdown and work at the same time. I just, I don't know if I have the channel. I don't really care. [00:36:48] Speaker B: The name only. [00:36:49] Speaker D: Yes, they, they actually even changed that, so now they call them ples, Premium Live Events. Because technically, technically, you. I mean, I, I believe if you have cable, you can technically pay per view it, but if you only have Peacock, you cannot, like, you know, you can't just pay peacock, like, 20 bucks to watch it, you know? So, yeah, they, they did, technically. I don't know if anybody noticed, but they've been calling them ples for, like, a year or two now because they don't want to give off the idea that you can pay per view. [00:37:23] Speaker A: You know, you gotta sign up for Peacock to watch Money in the Butt. [00:37:27] Speaker C: It's funny, I didn't notice on the actual streams of Raw or, like, the few times I was able to watch Smackdown. But I did notice, like, on Reddit and stuff, they were using that abbreviation instead of pay per view. And I'm like, I, I didn't really think too much about it. Thanks for clarifying that, Matt. But, yeah, so now in terms of the ads that I get, I, yeah, I watch wrestling. That's the only thing that I watch weekly. I Used to watch. So I used to watch the cleaning lady. That was. It was usually recorded. That was from Fox. I don't know if you can get Fox on cable, but. Yeah, it's a long. It's a long story. We have cable at my house in Seattle because I don't know by the person I'm living with. Let's just say that she prefers. I don't know, she. She wants to watch some channels, but even she's saying, like, I don't have time to watch this stuff. Like, maybe we shouldn't pay for it. But in reality, if you cut that away, then we're stuck with Comcast. And I apologize. If anyone works at Comcast or likes Comcast, I'm looking at you, JR and Jordan. [00:38:54] Speaker B: I'm jr. You see? Mission Boss. [00:39:00] Speaker C: Anyway, my point here is that. Sure, sure. Anyway. So yeah, with. I do a little bit of Van life. And my point here is that I have Verizon. No, I have Visible. And that does the job for me. Like when I'm on the road, it gives me. What is it, like, near 10 megs download. And that's good enough for what I need to do anyway. Yeah, I could live off of just the Internet. I wouldn't need cable or anything. So pretty much I watch Netflix, YouTube prime, if I happen to have it, whatever is around. But I don't really watch cable at all. And from that I watch Raw. I used to watch the Cleaning lady and geez, I just watch whatever interesting thing I find on Netflix, really? Or YouTube, like, that's all you really need. And so not if you watch wrestling. Well, yeah, but if WWE could work it out so that all the shows were on Netflix, I'd absolutely watch. And I could totally watch and do my work at the same time. It's. It's enough for me, like with my adhd, that actually helps me get my work done, as ironic as that might sound. And I can totally absorb the context of what I need to absorb from those shows. So, yeah, I guess with whatever I watch, I don't get those Marvel ads, is what I'm saying. And then, yeah, I'll watch random like coding videos and crap like this that to help me too. So they probably. I don't think, like, whatever I watch really lumps me into the people that would get the ads for the Marvel movies, is what I'm saying. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Okay, you obviously didn't know that like Fantastic Four was coming out, which is whatever. But more pressingly, to Matt's point, do you find that watching Raw is enough, you know, like, do you think WWE is too confusing? Like. Like, when. When WrestleMania 41 happened, were you like, you know, were you like, oh, no, I'm behind or whatever? [00:41:24] Speaker C: So that's. That's complicated for me to answer because. So I didn't start watching Raw right off the bat. When it went to Netflix, I was. Yeah, I was on the road for a little bit doing the Van Life stuff, and then when I got home to my house in Seattle, I was just like, what? Raw is on Netflix? And, like, it instantly made me want to watch it. And this was like, in February, like, mid. At least mid February, possibly early March. So I was just binge binging it to catch up. And I actually have to say, say that was a little bit hard. I don't. I don't know. It would keep putting me on the wrong episode when I tried to start from the beginning. But that's a separate issue. That's. But anyway, I didn't get to watch WrestleMania because, again, you need to have peacock. I think the issue really is. Yeah, I. I was like, who is this guy appearing, like, when La Knight appeared on Raw? Like, I'm like, who is this guy? And apparently he's been doing some really good work lately, from what I've read. And, like, he. He's climbing the food chain. Like, he. He's kind of like the mid car, but he's more exciting than Sami Zayn. Like, he. He's kind of like. Actually, he's. To me, he's way more badass than Sami Zayn. I mean, Sami Zayn is kind of like that nice guy, Thomas the Tank Engine guy that. I think I can. I think I can. I don't know, but, like, La Knight's just like, I'm gonna kick your ass and, you know, take names later kind of guy. But anyway, my point here is, is it confusing? No, not really. I mean, yeah, I don't know the smackdown stars as well, but I'm kind of watching the. The smackdown recaps now. So before I started doing that, there would be a couple of moments of confusion, but I feel like Raw and Smackdown until WrestleMania season probably could have, you know, existed separately. Well, yeah, WrestleMania season, however. However long you want to draw that out to be, like, probably after Royal Rumble or maybe even Royal Rumble and beyond is WrestleMania season up until WrestleMania. And obviously, like, they're tidying up a few details from WrestleMania, the following Raw and SmackDown. But my point is. No, it's not really confusing, but the recaps from smackdown help. I Don't watch NXT at all. And I was like, okay. They explained. Explained it pretty well to me who Stephanie Viquerra was like, okay, she was the women's NXT champion. What more do I really know? She seems pretty badass. She does well on Raw, in my opinion. So, yeah, I think it all ties together pretty flawlessly. If you only choose to watch Raw. I don't know what the experience. Experience would be like if you only chose to watch smackdown or nxt. Like, who knows? You might miss some details, but from my experience primarily only being a Raw viewer, I think I have enough context from the other shows. Mystery Iguana I'm a little confused about. [00:45:00] Speaker A: But, yeah, well, that's because you didn't watch Worlds Collide. But that being said, you should watch it. Luchadores are the best. Simply the best. Well, I do think that you can just watch Draw and that'll kind of like, you know, that's a good entry point to the ecosystem. And honestly, you can just watch that, you know. But, yeah, from the. But, like, here's the thing, right? Like, Greg's talking about recap videos, you know, like, catching up and. Sounds a little. Sounds pretty similar. Matt, what do you think? [00:45:33] Speaker D: Yeah, so I think that the question that I, as I'm listening to you guys is like, all right, Greg has no problem watching just Raw. Dan, you have no problem watching just Raw. I do watch everything, but I feel like I could probably just watch Raw and be fine as well. But my question to you guys is like, you know, sometimes WWE does something on smackdown or nxt and like, it is required viewing for. To understand something that happens on Raw. And yes, they do a nice job of recapping it. But like, for example, like, last night I'm watching Smackdown, and CM Punk appears, you know, to smack talk and. And basically fight with John Cena. And it's this big moment that is going to lead to, you know, that's. That's part of the storyline for Night of Champions. And I hate to say it, but I'm like, I'm thinking about. Oh, no, Greg and Dan, like, are they, you know, when is it going to get to them? Is it going to get to them when they watch Raw? Is it going to get to them via social media before then? Are they going to feel bad about missing smackdown now? And I'm, I'm sure, like, you know. [00:46:40] Speaker A: I always feel bad about missing it. [00:46:41] Speaker D: Yeah, life goes on. [00:46:43] Speaker C: I wish I could watch it, but I, I watched the recap and I took copious notes. On it. So I. Yeah, he basically emulated the. The pipe bomb that CM Punk did years ago. [00:46:56] Speaker D: Exactly. Yeah. And, like, I don't know. Like, my. I guess my question is to you guys is like, you know, listen, like, WWE is a major business, and it's also owned by TK tko, which just simply cares about money, right? Which, listen, every business should. Right? Every. Like, if you're gonna have a business, you should care about money, right? So I'm not faulting them for that, but sometimes I'm. I'm like, you know, could they possibly make more money if they take care of their fans a little bit more? Right? So, like, for example, you know, Dan, you brought up fractured media, right? And WWE is fractured media. So, like, Raw is on Netflix. NXT is on cw. Evolve is on Tubi. Yeah. Smackdown is on usa. Saturday night's main event, which is not every week, but every few months. That's on NBC. Ples. Ples are on Peacock, right? If you want to watch main event, which is, like, they're like, very, very, very small, like, recap show that's on Peacock, but it also appeared on YouTube, right? And that's not even including. Yeah, that's not even including lfg, which premieres tonight on A E Season two. You know, that's. And that's just like a. Like a future star show. So, like, my question to you is, like, is this fair to fans who want to watch as much wrestling as possible and can't because they only have Netflix or they only have Peacock or they only have, you know, the. The cable. [00:48:32] Speaker C: I don't think it's fair, but I mean, I think a lot of things. A lot of places do this. So, like. Like, I don't. I don't watch a ton of other stuff, but so I apologize for people that don't watch sports. I know, like, Dan and Chris don't watch a lot of sport. Wrestling you can consider a sport if you want. Vince McMahon considered. Vince McMahon considered it an entertainment from a while ago. It actually was labeled as that because he didn't want to pay taxes at some, like, arena in Jersey that was trying to charge him. And he's like, you can't charge me. This isn't sports. It's entertainment. So anyway, my point here is I don't. I don't like that. It's, you know, all over the place. But NFL does it too. Like. Like, Fox has contracts with the NFC teams and CBS has contracts with the AFC teams, like, broadcasting at least. And. And sometimes it gets mixed and Blurred. I. I think it's more standard how it is in wwe. Like, well, Matt, you knew where all the things were. I only know Raw is on Netflix. Like, that's the only thing. And I know some things are on Peacock and I know, like, and then sometimes it comes up in the corner on Peacock in US or Netflix internationally and I'm like, what, like, really bad it. Like. [00:50:13] Speaker A: When WrestleMania was happening, I was like, googling, where do I watch WrestleMania? Because I was like, I need to see this. And it was me, it's on Netflix. And I was like, oh, good. And then a week before, that's not in the United States, that's everywhere else. So I had to get the login for my co host because I was like, I want to watch WrestleMania. [00:50:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:33] Speaker D: And that's kind of, that's kind of why I asked that question. Is like, is this fair? Because like, WrestleMania is the Super bowl of WWE. Right. And when the super bowl comes along, like, you know, it's either on CBS or Fox or, you know, but you know, months in advance, you know, better on NBC. [00:50:50] Speaker C: But that's my aside. [00:50:51] Speaker D: Yeah. But you know, with, with WrestleMania, like the fact that somebody has to Google and this is not, you know, like, just that's, it's mind boggling to me that you like, have to figure out where the, where the biggest show of the year is going to be. [00:51:07] Speaker C: Yes. [00:51:07] Speaker D: And that's, to me, that's not on the fans. That's. That's on the company, you know, because it's so, so fractured. And listen, like, you know, Greg brings up a phenomenal point where like, you know, I'm a huge sports fan as well. And you know, the way I see it though is like, I have a team that I watch. I know that some people will watch like any, any game whatsoever, but I have a team that I watch. Right. I know that I'm the lone North Jersey guy here, but like, my NFL team is the Jets. Right. Sorry. I'm assuming that Greg. Eagles or Seahawks? Probably. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:40] Speaker D: Yeah. All right, so we're cool. We're cool with each other, but right. [00:51:47] Speaker C: Only Monday Night Football. [00:51:48] Speaker D: Yeah. So with, with the jets, like the. I know for a fact out of the 17 games that the jets play, like 14 of them are going to be on CBS, like, no matter what, with, with WWE. Like, WWE is my team, but I have to have four different products in order to watch my team. [00:52:09] Speaker A: You know, Great way to look at it because it's not like, oh, I want to watch this faction or that faction. Now they move around and it. It's. I like to watch wwe. Where do I go to watch this thing if it's Marvel? Oh, well, there's. There's Disney plus you know, even the Legacy stuff is there now. Like the. The fucking old Blade movie and Elektra and all that garbage, you know, or you could just buy a comic book or Marvel Unlimited. Or if you want to watch the DC junk, guess what? It's all on. Oh, hbo. Max, Max, whatever. Depending on when you're watching this, you know, but, like, yeah, it's all over the place. And I'm just like, go yourself. I don't even have broadcast tv. I don't know what you're talking about. Like, like, yeah, yeah, it's not great. I'm surprised. Wasn't there a streaming service? Like, wasn't there a WWE streaming service that had all this nourish kite? [00:52:58] Speaker D: Yes. And then. Then Peacock threw just a ton of money at them. A ton of money. And they were like, all right, let's do it. You know, and everything, you know, basically started. You know, that was back when Raw was still on usa and Peacock would put Raw and Smackdown on peak on Peacock, like, a month. A month after it aired on cable. Also now, like, Netflix has, like, some old Raws from, like, the 90s and early 2000s, but not all of it. But then. [00:53:29] Speaker C: Really? [00:53:30] Speaker D: Yeah, if you want to watch, like, WCW and ecw, you have to have Peacock. Right. If you want to watch old pay per views, not ples. Right. You have to go to Peacock. Right. So it's. Even the old stuff. Even the archives are fractured, you know? [00:53:46] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:53:48] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know how to watch World Raw other than, like, random YouTube videos. I didn't even know it was on Netflix. I gotta. You gotta tell us how to watch it on Netflix later. [00:53:57] Speaker D: Yeah, it's. [00:53:57] Speaker A: It. [00:53:57] Speaker D: And it's actually not. [00:53:58] Speaker A: It's. [00:53:59] Speaker D: It's not easy to find either. Like, you have to do it. Like, you have to type in Raw and then like, seven different things come up that are related to Raw, and then you have to pick the right one. It's like Raw Vault, I think. Oh, and like I said, like, if like, like Chris, like somebody like Chris, like, let's say Chris had an unlimited amount of time and wanted to watch Raw from the very beginning, January 1993. He cannot do that in chronological order because they do not have every single episode on there, whereas Peacock did. Now, the plan is to. The plan is to bring everything to Netflix eventually. [00:54:37] Speaker A: That's what you have to do, Chris. [00:54:38] Speaker C: Really? [00:54:39] Speaker D: That was. And like. So that was the thing. Yeah, and that was the thing. Like when the WWE Network first started, my crazy ass was like, you know what? Even though I've. I've watched every single episode since my birth, I'm gonna watch RAW from the very beginning. I'm gonna watch WWE from the very beginning. So I would go back in my free time or if I was like on the treadmill or something, and I would just put on an episode and I would just go chronologically through everything. I can't do that now because not everything's available. [00:55:11] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's a shame at all. Let's put it on a thing, you know. [00:55:15] Speaker D: Exactly. You gotta sell the seas, you know. [00:55:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I just watched random YouTube video. Like I found something. I texted you guys. Like it's not their mainstay program, but even back in the day, there were a lot of. There. There still were four shows. Technically, I don't remember. I'm sure you remember, Matt, but remember Velocity and Heat? Yeah, yeah, Those were like the low lower card programs kind of, I guess you could think, sort of like NXT analogy. And you'd see wrestlers you wouldn't usually see on Raw or smackdown. So that was nice to watch. But then you'd also see the big boys there too sometimes, so it was confusing. But yeah, I found full episodes of that from like 1999, and I'm planning on watching that like just for the hell of it. It's not totally chronological. It will kind of be annoying. I'll try to make it as chronological as I can, but. Should be fun to watch. [00:56:18] Speaker A: I think I was surprised at how high quality it was because like, you know, my, my booby, like, you know, I brought over that, that, that, that SummerSlam 91 tape or whatever and like the quality was awful, you know, that they taped. They would pay for the pay per views and then fucking tape them because they wanted to keep it, you know, as you do. [00:56:36] Speaker C: Well, the, the quality just jumps up so much. And in general, with any video content, I find in the late 90s, like, it really was a turning point of quality. Like I know everybody hates and I don't want. I'm gonna open up a Pandora's box and I'll try to put it right back in real quick. But Star Wars Episode 1, you say. [00:56:59] Speaker A: Star wars, it gets cut. That's the rule. [00:57:02] Speaker C: All right, well, it was, it, it, it was really high quality. Like in the theater, like, say what you will about the content of it, but the video quality was really high. I find that, like, towards the late 90s, same thing with WWE and all this other stuff. The video quality is pretty high. Like, you could watch it and enjoy the quality of the video for the most part today. Yeah, it's not going to be HD or whatever, but it's nothing to really sneeze at, I think. So, Yeah, I. I agree, Dan. Like, it's surprising, like, what high quality content you can find from the past. [00:57:42] Speaker A: Yeah, well, so, you know, unless anyone else has anything further to offer, I'd like to ask, like, you know, Marvel movies have been kind of doing badly at the box office. I don't think the brand is dead or anything. I mean, for fuck's sake. I mean, there's always a cartoon show. That Spider man cartoon was phenomenal. It was so fucking. It's so hard to believe that anything could be bet as good as Spectacular Spider Man. But I liked it. I thought it was really good. And, you know, of course, the comic books are chugging along just fine. I mean, my monthly Thor book comes out every month. There's always new books on the stand, so I think it'll be fine. But I mean, like, is the WWE suffering, you know, like, whereas we see signs of life from, you know, the damaged Marvel brand. I mean, you know, however slight they may be. Is this fracturing, hurting the product? Because Nat. Greg Die Hards me more casual fan. Right. You know, love it, enjoy it, like, as much as you do, but more casual. Able to follow along, but kind of like, what's going on over there? Chris totally lost. Right? Understandably. You know, I. I think. Well, that's true. We don't even. You don't even know where you are right now. Isn't that true? Yeah. He wasn't around last week because he. He got stuck in a dumpster. I don't know what you were doing, Chris. Crazy. But yeah, I mean, what do you guys think? Do you think the WWE is like, being hurt by this, or do you think that moving to Netflix in general? Well, moving Raw to Netflix, let's be clear. If they really cared, they put their big events or some of their big events on Netflix. But, like, you know, I don't know. Has this hurt their. Their viewership? Has this hurt their business? Has this hurt what they're doing? Because. [00:59:32] Speaker C: Is the specific question is moving Raw to Netflix, did that help them or did that hurt them? Is that what you're asking? [00:59:40] Speaker A: I mean, that is a good way to frame it. But my. My question is more so we just talked about how fractured it is. [00:59:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:46] Speaker A: Is that a problem? Because I think in the Internet age, you really, really want to be clear about where you can watch this stuff, because people, if they don't know, they're just gonna go. They're just gonna put on Amazon prime and watch the new Chris Pratt movie. They don't know what you're talking about. They're. They're not. Yeah, they don't care. That's why, like, Matt's kids in his classroom are like, Marvel. I don't know what that is. Like, Dr. Str. [01:00:13] Speaker D: Yes, Chris. Questions, questions. [01:00:16] Speaker A: I've never seen it. I never watched it. Yeah, I never watched. [01:00:25] Speaker C: Yeah, Yeah. I. For me, I think the, the hodgepodge, you know, buffet of, like, different channels that you have to watch this stuff on definitely hurts. I think the move to Netflix was great for Raw because that brought me back in totally. As a fan, I like, for me, I don't know, I don't know if I'd have Netflix if I didn't have to pay for it, but I use, like, somebody's paying for it for me, essentially, or I'm using their login, so it's the first place I really go. It, like, it doesn't have ads, the tier I'm in, so I don't have to worry about that. That's pretty cool. Yeah. [01:01:12] Speaker A: So, yeah, as we wrap up, I am Daniel. I, you know, I edit Death Wish Poetry magazine. Visit that, check it out. Follow us on Instagram. You know, eathwish, Underscore Poetry, my personal writing site where I list all. Where, you know, where I have all my books listed. And my professional writing is [email protected] Matt, of course, writes for PWInsider.com Matt, do you want to tell us about your writing? [01:01:41] Speaker D: Yeah, I, I, I do the reports for some weekly shows. I do on Tuesday, NWA Wednesday, Evolve. Thursday, TNA and Ring of Honor. Friday, I do TNA Explosion. And then tonight, LFG is debuting season two of for WWE on A E. So I do the report for that as well. And then every once in a while, I'll do, like, a little editorial, too. So I've also recently started doing audio for them once a week. So if you want to hear more of my thoughts, that's behind the paywall, unfortunately, but feel free to pay. I don't get any of the money, but you can pay them and listen to my horrible voice. [01:02:23] Speaker A: Your voice is great. Greg is, of course, looking for work. He is a coder, worked at Microsoft. Hire this man he is looking for a full time fucking job. He's very good Greg, you want to talk about your work? [01:02:36] Speaker C: Yeah so right now I'm a freelance developer. My GitHub is out. Dan released it but yeah just doing some freelance work right now so I have time on my hands to do projects for you or be hired full time so either way works for me but obviously getting some medical benefits and dental would be good if I could find more stable full time work. I bring a very creative perspective to development. I'm more outside your corporate box so yeah if you want some non corporation guy to come in even to your corporation and give you a different take feel free to reach out to me see my GitHub. So yeah I'd be more than happy to talk to you about your development needs. [01:03:33] Speaker A: Yep links to all these things below. Keep it low brow. [01:03:40] Speaker C: Sam SA. [01:05:48] Speaker A: SA. [01:06:14] Speaker C: It.